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    Guys,

    With the 70 grams protein per meal basic protocol...I find I basically have NO room in my gut for carbs.

    Meals go two to three protein items until I have reached 70 grams.

    Along with non-starchy veggies, and healthy fats (avocados, nuts, yolks, etc).

    I basically eat like 1 meal per day with starchy carbs.

    Then on the weekend, thanks to footlong subs, pizza, etc, I 'load up'.

    Anybody else experience this while trying to ram down all this protein???
    I train Dogg Crapp. When not training DC ... sometimes I train arms 3x to 5x per week. Sometimes I train 'modified dogg crapp' which includes an 'arms only' day.

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    What do you mean by "the 70 grams protein per meal basic protocol"? There is no where, that I know of that you are required to eat 70 grams of protein per meal. How much do you weigh?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by DaveEboy View Post
      Guys,

      With the 70 grams protein per meal basic protocol...I find I basically have NO room in my gut for carbs.

      Meals go two to three protein items until I have reached 70 grams.

      Along with non-starchy veggies, and healthy fats (avocados, nuts, yolks, etc).

      I basically eat like 1 meal per day with starchy carbs.

      Then on the weekend, thanks to footlong subs, pizza, etc, I 'load up'.

      Anybody else experience this while trying to ram down all this protein???
      How much do you weigh, Dave?... BF% Estimate?...

      What does you daily diet (not weekends) usually end up looking like?...

      Are you gaining with what you're currently doing?...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DaveEboy View Post
        Guys,

        With the 70 grams protein per meal basic protocol...I find I basically have NO room in my gut for carbs.

        Meals go two to three protein items until I have reached 70 grams.

        Along with non-starchy veggies, and healthy fats (avocados, nuts, yolks, etc).

        I basically eat like 1 meal per day with starchy carbs.

        Then on the weekend, thanks to footlong subs, pizza, etc, I 'load up'.

        Anybody else experience this while trying to ram down all this protein???
        Now let me ask you....Do you think that this way of doing things is gonna help you hit your goals? The answer is probably no. So use some common sense, drop you protein down to a reasonable level for YOU, so you can get other foods in there as well.....Most people are gonna GROW better with some good old starchy carbs in there. They are non essential, as there are no essential carbs, BUT, have you seen alot of people who can grow at a good pace eating simply protein and fats?....I haven't....

        Diet is not cookie cutter stuff. You hafta tailor the diet to fit YOUR needs. Yes, on DC the emphasis is on protein. But if you're 175lbs, you certainly don't need 500g of protein....Figure out where you're at regarding lean weight, just an estimate, and go for 1.5-2g per lb of lean weight....that's more than enough, in fact, some say it's way too much....So if you're 200lbs and need to lose 30lbs, then just figure 170lbs x2g per lb....340g. Divided by 7 meals thats a hair less than 50g per meal....now you can hit some carbs too

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        • #5
          Didn't you come in and ask us yesterday about the protein question? You said you weighed 200 pounds, so if you followed the 1.5 g/lb recommendation, that's 300 grams. Spread that out over 6-7 smaller meals during the day, and you're at 40-50 grams per meal, which isn't hard to do.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by dakoose View Post
            Didn't you come in and ask us yesterday about the protein question? You said you weighed 200 pounds, so if you followed the 1.5 g/lb recommendation, that's 300 grams. Spread that out over 6-7 smaller meals during the day, and you're at 40-50 grams per meal, which isn't hard to do.
            The actual recommendation iv seen is 2g/lb for dc trainees. Not 1.5

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            • #7
              Thanks guys for all the great responses. My main question on this post was really about the lack of carbohydrates my diet has had lately. Not about eating 'how much' or 'too much' protein.

              At this point I would have to say it just may be in my best interest to drop the protein a little and start adding in some oats, green peas, limas, etc.

              At 40 years old and on a 'bulk' while doing my first DC blast ... not interested in getting much fatter. I also readily accept the fact that some extra 'blubber' is bound to come on in order to get the gains i want.
              I train Dogg Crapp. When not training DC ... sometimes I train arms 3x to 5x per week. Sometimes I train 'modified dogg crapp' which includes an 'arms only' day.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DaveEboy View Post
                Thanks guys for all the great responses. My main question on this post was really about the lack of carbohydrates my diet has had lately. Not about eating 'how much' or 'too much' protein.

                At this point I would have to say it just may be in my best interest to drop the protein a little and start adding in some oats, green peas, limas, etc.

                At 40 years old and on a 'bulk' while doing my first DC blast ... not interested in getting much fatter. I also readily accept the fact that some extra 'blubber' is bound to come on in order to get the gains i want.
                Here, I just found this can of worms...

                But no. Do not accept the fact that some extra "blubber" is bound to come, it's b/s. Tons of people, great and poor metabolisms alike, can get by without gaining much, if hardly any, extra body fat. The difference is that it's hard and takes extra work. Do cardio. Don't be retarded about what you eat. Make adjustments.

                Also, I think others are talking about "too much protein" vs "not enough carbs" because they're directly proportionate. Most assume you're getting too many calories from protein, whereas you could re-partition a number of those calories for carbohydrates, which will translate over to everything better. Carbs won't bite, I promise. I highly respect DC philosophies and the high protein lifestyle but, as mentioned above, there is no cookie-cutter template. Just because something is recommended doesn't mean it will translate well for you. When I ate 2x bodyweight in protein, I stayed fatter, had less energy, and had digestion issues. Now, I'm somewhere around 1.5x, if not less, and I've never had more success doing this than I have now.

                Just out of curiosity, what's with the carb sources? Why no get some Ezekiel Bread, brown/jasmine/white rice, fruits, etc?

                ...imo, anyway.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by moparfreak360 View Post
                  The actual recommendation iv seen is 2g/lb for dc trainees. Not 1.5

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                  There's no requirement. This guys isn't so big where he needs more than 300 grams or protein (from protein sources) daily. In the other thread we suggested 1.5 grams from protein sources (not ancillary sources), which would be plenty. if he gets that much "real protein," he'll be fine. And then if not, he should then bump it up higher.
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                  • #10
                    Thanks guys.

                    Going to go ahead with adding oatmeal and ezekial.
                    I train Dogg Crapp. When not training DC ... sometimes I train arms 3x to 5x per week. Sometimes I train 'modified dogg crapp' which includes an 'arms only' day.

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                    • #11
                      One of my favorite meals offseason was when I would roast a lean roast beef or turkey breast, slice it thin, make sandwiches on all natural whole wheat bread, with a bit of canola oil mayo, lettuce, tomato, and red onion, and a little salt....Two of these babies would have me at 70g protein, 75g carbs, and about 15g fat from the mayo.....I would add in a piece of fruit and a natural granola bar and get my carbs up to 125g....perfect 900 calorie or so meal....lol
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                      • #12
                        Not giving advice, just a question..

                        Is the DC recommended protein amount over exaggerated, kind of like how the "6-8 second" negative got over exaggerated?

                        I just can't see how anyone can get that much protein (400+g) on a daily basis who is 200 lbs.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SkinnyMike42 View Post
                          Not giving advice, just a question..

                          Is the DC recommended protein amount over exaggerated, kind of like how the "6-8 second" negative got over exaggerated?

                          I just can't see how anyone can get that much protein (400+g) on a daily basis who is 200 lbs.
                          I don't know if it's exaggerated....I just think maybe it was put out there so guys know they hafta eat a shitload of protein....I'm at 390g of protein right now in prep, 455g on training days....I've gone as high as 420-490g in a day, depending on how many meals I get in, 6 or 7.....I certainly wouldn't think that a 200lb guy needs 400g of protein to grow....I've seen plenty of guys grow just fine on 250-300g of protein at 200lbs or so....that being said, the emphasis on protein with DC Training is there for a reason. Maybe one could see spectacular growth going up to 500g....Dante's also talked about the thermic effect of food, and that protein is by far better for this than carbs and fats....
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SkinnyMike42 View Post
                            Not giving advice, just a question..

                            Is the DC recommended protein amount over exaggerated, kind of like how the "6-8 second" negative got over exaggerated?

                            I just can't see how anyone can get that much protein (400+g) on a daily basis who is 200 lbs.
                            I have followed it before for 6 months at a 225 BW getting in close to 500 grams of protein a day. It wasnt that hard when eating 7-8 times a day. My last two meals of the day accounted to 200 grams of protein in total. The rest i got relatively easy during the day.

                            I did have lots of digestion issues and bad gas. I have dropped the protein now to 0.8-1.0 grams per BW and have less uncomfortable issues.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SkinnyMike42 View Post
                              I just can't see how anyone can get that much protein (400+g) on a daily basis who is 200 lbs.
                              I dont think its that hard to get 400+ g of protein...break it down to 7 meals @ 60-ish per meal and youre there. You could do that with 3 shakes and 4 meals. Now whether or not that is needed is another story.

                              At the end of this prep..I will be give/take 200lbs and will be right around that amount of protein. I will preface that by saying my first meal of the day is btwn 0330/0400 and my last meal is around 2000...so, getting in those meals, in that amount of time is pretty easy (again, for me).

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