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    stas/facts
    height: 6'3"
    wt: 215
    bf: 13%
    bf lost: 50lb

    diet: only eat carbs postworkout and carb up on saturday
    cardio: 45 min x2 am/pm on tues, th, sun. 45 min am on wed
    wts: mon, wed, fri

    I am not using any thermogenic aides.
    I just cant get down to 200-202 where my bf will be 6-7%
    Am I wrong to thing as a nattie that I cant get any leaner naturally? I am at this point practically convinced my body WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. I am really mentally exhausted with all this dieting for the last 50 or so weeks (have not had a cookie in half a year, no icecream in a year, Pizza? Whats does that shite taste like? I forgot? Get my drift LOL!? And doing treadmill work 5 hrs a week staring at a wall. :tread: I've been a good sport, really... My original plan was to train DC style enhanced after I got my bf down to low mid single digitz but it doesnt look like its happening. SO maybe I should go one more month then start blasting again? Advice from experts please. Inhuman? Is 13% to high?

    thankyou
    Last edited by topolm; 10-27-2004, 08:09 PM.
    "Your biggest challenge isn't someone else. It's the ache in your lungs and the burning in your legs, and the voice inside you that yells 'CAN'T", but you don't listen. You just push harder. And then you hear the voice whisper 'can'. And you discover that the person you thought you were is no match for the one you really are."
    - Unknown

  • #2
    more carbs thru out the day... Your Thyroid is shutting down....IMO
    SweatMachine
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    • #3
      can you please explain? I thought carbing up on a weekend and postworkout does the trick? prevents thyroid shutdown.

      thankyou!!

      Originally posted by SweatMachine
      more carbs thru out the day... Your Thyroid is shutting down....IMO
      "Your biggest challenge isn't someone else. It's the ache in your lungs and the burning in your legs, and the voice inside you that yells 'CAN'T", but you don't listen. You just push harder. And then you hear the voice whisper 'can'. And you discover that the person you thought you were is no match for the one you really are."
      - Unknown

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      • #4
        I'll try to say this simple. By eating carbs early then none the rest of the day your body is looking to burn stored calories later. By taking the carbs out your body starts to feed on the muscles because you exhausted all your cals earlier in the day with the cardio.
        Eat some extra carbs at dinner for a week and see what happens.
        I am as natural as they come and I am at 5% bf today

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        • #5
          Ok, so this is my plan:
          1. do cardio
          2.have a bit of oatmeal for breakfast (50 grams of carbs) with scrambled eggs after cardio. Does this sound fine? Should carbs be low glycemic (ie quaker oats?)
          I am under the impression that the body will only burn bf when insulin levels are low and glycogen levels are low. Does this conflict with what you are saying?

          Originally posted by ntrllftr
          I'll try to say this simple. By eating carbs early then none the rest of the day your body is looking to burn stored calories later. By taking the carbs out your body starts to feed on the muscles because you exhausted all your cals earlier in the day with the cardio.
          Eat some extra carbs at dinner for a week and see what happens.
          I am as natural as they come and I am at 5% bf today
          "Your biggest challenge isn't someone else. It's the ache in your lungs and the burning in your legs, and the voice inside you that yells 'CAN'T", but you don't listen. You just push harder. And then you hear the voice whisper 'can'. And you discover that the person you thought you were is no match for the one you really are."
          - Unknown

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          • #6
            I personally would eat the oatmeal b4 working out ( I like the peaches and cream yum)
            Then after the cardio drink some type of protein drink; then have the eggs about an hour to an hour in a half later. how many eggs do you use? If I use 5 or less I use 1 yolk, 6 or more I use 2 yolks. You still need to take in more carbs for dinner tho.

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            • #7
              ok, this is what I'm doing now
              6am protein shake (75gr in water)
              do cardio, done by 7:30am
              meal 1: 8am eat 18 egg white, 2 egg yolks.
              meal 2: 10am 9 oz ground beef with salad and 1 tablespoon olive oil
              meal 3: 1pm 9 oz ground beef with salad and 1 tablespoon olive oil
              meal 4: 3pm 9 oz ground beef with salad
              meal 5: 5pm 18 egg whites, 1 egg yolk
              meal 6: 9pm postworkout meal : 2 cups grape juice, with 100 g protien, glutamine.

              If you want could you revise me diet a touch?


              Originally posted by ntrllftr
              I personally would eat the oatmeal b4 working out ( I like the peaches and cream yum)
              Then after the cardio drink some type of protein drink; then have the eggs about an hour to an hour in a half later. how many eggs do you use? If I use 5 or less I use 1 yolk, 6 or more I use 2 yolks. You still need to take in more carbs for dinner tho.
              "Your biggest challenge isn't someone else. It's the ache in your lungs and the burning in your legs, and the voice inside you that yells 'CAN'T", but you don't listen. You just push harder. And then you hear the voice whisper 'can'. And you discover that the person you thought you were is no match for the one you really are."
              - Unknown

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              • #8
                you do not need 75grams of protein. 45grams should be enough for one sitting at your wt.
                How many grams of carbs are in that pre-workout shake? I hope it is moderate and not too low since I see you do not eat the oatmeal b4 working out.
                there is about 6 grams of protein in an egg. You only need 8 in a sitting. You are pretty much just wasting the rest.
                IMMEDIATELY after the workout power down a protein drink. That is when your body really needs it with about 20-25 grams of carbs.
                meals 2,3,4 should be ok.
                meal 5 again 8-10 eggs 2yolks and maybe some green beans or couliflower or broccoli.
                Meal 6 you only need 45-50 grams of protein and have about 35-40 grams of carbs.
                (play around with the carbs that I suggested add or subtract to how your body reacts)

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                • #9
                  thx. I will add in some carbs and see how I respond. BTW, did you use john berardi's "dont diet plan"

                  http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....icle=256beast2
                  "Your biggest challenge isn't someone else. It's the ache in your lungs and the burning in your legs, and the voice inside you that yells 'CAN'T", but you don't listen. You just push harder. And then you hear the voice whisper 'can'. And you discover that the person you thought you were is no match for the one you really are."
                  - Unknown

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                  • #10
                    Nope, trial an error over the fifteen years. lol (mostly true) but I
                    Actually read a lot of books and magazines too.

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                    • #11
                      That'd be barely 300g protein, with DC you need to get 2g per pound of bodyweight. This is a rule.

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                      • #12
                        I will still be taking in 500+ gr protein/day. Thats not gonna change.

                        Originally posted by USMuscle9403
                        That'd be barely 300g protein, with DC you need to get 2g per pound of bodyweight. This is a rule.
                        "Your biggest challenge isn't someone else. It's the ache in your lungs and the burning in your legs, and the voice inside you that yells 'CAN'T", but you don't listen. You just push harder. And then you hear the voice whisper 'can'. And you discover that the person you thought you were is no match for the one you really are."
                        - Unknown

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by USMuscle9403
                          That'd be barely 300g protein, with DC you need to get 2g per pound of bodyweight. This is a rule.
                          yes BUT, his post was and I quote:

                          "I've been a good sport, really... My original plan was to train DC style enhanced after I got my bf down to low mid single digitz but it doesnt look like its happening. SO maybe I should go one more month then start blasting"

                          I was just helping get his bf down. The rest of the food he was eating was doing NOTHING FOR HIM.
                          Last edited by ntrllftr; 10-28-2004, 12:28 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Try eating a leaner source of meat, like chicken breast or fish to replace the ground beef. If you want ground beef have it once a day not three times. And maybe try some other sort of cardio to keep interest levels higher
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                            • #15
                              The beef has NO fat in it since I boil it. All the fat is gone. Chicken breast and fish is a sure way of losing muscle mass, and I am not messing with the beef since it helped me keep my muscle mass. I dont see how doing something else for cardio is gonna help me get leaner.

                              Originally posted by mikethedon
                              Try eating a leaner source of meat, like chicken breast or fish to replace the ground beef. If you want ground beef have it once a day not three times. And maybe try some other sort of cardio to keep interest levels higher
                              "Your biggest challenge isn't someone else. It's the ache in your lungs and the burning in your legs, and the voice inside you that yells 'CAN'T", but you don't listen. You just push harder. And then you hear the voice whisper 'can'. And you discover that the person you thought you were is no match for the one you really are."
                              - Unknown

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