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  • I do a lot of my own research into topics like this to open my mind to other things than following things that are sometimes said with blind faith because so and so does it......

    All you have to di is read this article to understand where I'm coming from.

    This is an article by Dr. Stanley Bass.

    http://drbass.com/sequential.html

    What's interesting is the order in which foods are digested in stratified layers.

    I always eat my veg first, then the protein source and finish with the carbohydrate - similar to Dante's suggestion but always eat my broccoli, spinach etc first.

    You only have to spend time in any gym and you'll spot "offenders" who have digestive issues due to not paying attention to the way the food digested from the way they eat.

    Most people eat a bit of this and a bit of that at their meals and from experience it just causes problems to the stomach as it may not optimally produce the correct amount of say for example pepsin to break down protein which results in undigested food passing into the large intestine and causing distress.

    Just my 2c
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    • interesting info, but the combination of his pic and site layout and
      Conservation at energy in the digestive process is the key to all healing. (Success in healing is measured in terms of energy available. This was known by the early masters of Natural Hygiene) .....
      indicates he is a witch doctor in disguise who doesnt lift

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      • I'm sorry, but nothing I have ever read has stated food sits in the stomach in layers. It becomes combined in the stomach. The stomach churns food and turns the nutrients into chyme, which are then passed to the small intestine.
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        • The purpose of my reply wasn't to claim you're a newb. But post shit like this up, you'll make the claim for me.

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          • Originally posted by dakota1981 View Post
            This is a bodybuilding site, and the DoggPound is for experienced lifters..
            No way! For real?

            Anyway, I was only making some suggestions towards the knowledge of today as Dante suggested this quite a number of years ago.

            Bodybuilding knowledge is always progressing, so I put this to be argued that's all.

            If that's your opinion, I'm not going to argue against it.

            That's the whole point of discussion.
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            • holy clusterfucking..

              people eating this and that at meals and having digestive problems would probably be down to the composition of the meal, rather than a bit of this and that.

              As for food sitting in layers..So the stomach is a refinery now and layers food in terms of heat..am I right?

              Mental, am I right in recalling you have digestive problems? I ask because I guess your pretty well versed in digestion and what causes irritation..

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              • People eating this and that, was referring to the fact that most of the general population never eat sequentially or put thought into the order in which food is put into their mouth at a meal..

                Just makes sense to me, that by eating foods alone rather than combined, the body can focus on optimally producing the required amount of digestive enzyme rather than overcompensating leading to acid indigestion or undercompensating causing undigested food to pass into the large intestine where it may ferment and cause gas.

                We are all following sequential eating by eating protein first, followed by carbs, except I just made the point that I put veg first due to its faster digestion. Again that's just my preference.

                Again, as I said I just put it up for discussion
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                • Originally posted by martin_h View Post
                  holy clusterfucking..

                  people eating this and that at meals and having digestive problems would probably be down to the composition of the meal, rather than a bit of this and that.

                  As for food sitting in layers..So the stomach is a refinery now and layers food in terms of heat..am I right?

                  Mental, am I right in recalling you have digestive problems? I ask because I guess your pretty well versed in digestion and what causes irritation..
                  Yes, very bad GI problems lol

                  Different foods have different rates of digestion and different enzymes break down different foods.

                  Food goes into the stomach, mixes around with enzymes, and then passes to the small intestine where the nutrients are absorbed.

                  The only way I can see this process actually working is you wait for each type of food to clear your stomach.

                  Dean, can you please post some of the scientific evidence that shows how the digestion process work in layers? Not information from the website you posted, but real scientific evidence? If this is true, there should surely be information out there....
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                  • I can't find any evidence on PubMed except for digestion and absorption rates which were done in pigs by measuring faeces output.

                    I never advocated or believed stratified digestion to be a real thing within the stomach as we have all felt out stomach churn when we feel sick.

                    I just put that the article up as a point for discussion towards perhaps why so many nutritionist today perhaps place emphasis on the order of eating watery substances, then fruit, then carbs, then protein and finally fat.

                    Again, like I have said before, the whole thread to me is ultimately about sequential eating , protein is being eaten first so as to limit carb consumption.

                    So I just questioned why you wouldn't eat your veg first especially if its only 1 cup, and then move onto the protein.
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                    • Originally posted by deanstm View Post
                      I can't find any evidence on PubMed except for digestion and absorption rates which were done in pigs by measuring faeces output.

                      I never advocated or believed stratified digestion to be a real thing within the stomach as we have all felt out stomach churn when we feel sick.

                      I just put that the article up as a point for discussion towards perhaps why so many nutritionist today perhaps place emphasis on the order of eating watery substances, then fruit, then carbs, then protein and finally fat.

                      Again, like I have said before, the whole thread to me is ultimately about sequential eating , protein is being eaten first so as to limit carb consumption.

                      So I just questioned why you wouldn't eat your veg first especially if its only 1 cup, and then move onto the protein.
                      Well, it would depend on which vegetables, but if you read the entire first post in this thread you'd see why MassiveG thinks it's a bad idea; it's because of the cellulose in a lot of vegetables. At the end of the day, it sounds like it's all about which macronutrient or food type increases the efficiency of digestion and stokes the metabolism most, and it looks like it's fairly clear that it's protein, so eat your protein first.
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                      • @dean

                        to answer your question about why the nutritionists ("experts") suggest doing stuff like this, either
                        1. their knowledge is low and cannot think for themselves and thus jump on nutritional bandwagons, or
                        2. they want to market something

                        i'd go with 1.

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                        • Originally posted by dakoose View Post
                          Well, it would depend on which vegetables, but if you read the entire first post in this thread you'd see why MassiveG thinks it's a bad idea; it's because of the cellulose in a lot of vegetables. At the end of the day, it sounds like it's all about which macronutrient or food type increases the efficiency of digestion and stokes the metabolism most, and it looks like it's fairly clear that it's protein, so eat your protein first.
                          And to add to this, from a muscle building perspective, why you you want to delay the uptake of amino acids? Get that protein synthesis rollin'!
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                          • Great discussion!
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                            • I often save my meat till last on my plate and eat the rest first, purely because I like to save what I like most till last and then enjoy it. As far as I am aware, this isn't an eating disorder...yet.

                              However, when I go out for a Chinese Buffet I will always eat in this order;

                              Protein due to its effects on short and long term hunger suppression & TEF: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18469287
                              Veggies - For volume and to fill me up, to stop me eating a sht tonne of carbs I dont actually want
                              Fats- due to effect on appetite-suppression
                              Carbs
                              Desserts

                              I also read an article a few years back that said at buffets, we will tend to over eat on things we dont actually enjoy or would eat otherwise, because its there to eat. So I always try to limit my choices down to what I love and go from there.

                              Failing that, just think fck it and go mad and pick up the pieces later.

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                              • Originally posted by berryswole22 View Post
                                Hey guys that drink raw eggs: you might want to do some research into the binding protein avidin which is present in egg whites. Avidin keep the aminos bound together and requires intense heat or the vitamin biotin to denature it and bind to it. Egg whites are extremely low in biotin. Basically, this means that drinking raw egg whites leads to no digestion and absorption or the aminos contained in eg protein. To digest egg protein it should be cooked or supplemented with a large dose of biotin to bind and deactivate the avidin.
                                There was a study done in the 50's or 60's on an man that ate only raw egg whites and pretty much nothing else. He was so frail and malnourished due to protein deficiency and a biotin deficiency due to the the avidin in the egg whites drawing a lot of biotin from his system.
                                I know this was posted a long time ago but was never addressed as far as I can see. I know most of us use the pasteurized liquid egg white products. After looking into this one of the retailers had this to say:

                                The human body cannot completely, or safely digest raw eggs (if salmonella is present). In addition, Avidin a substance found in raw egg whites, may interfere with biotin, potentially causing a vitamin-B deficiency.
                                Our Liquid Egg Whites are NOT RAW. They are pasteurized which kills salmonella and neutralizes avidin so our Egg Whites are 100% Bio-available and completely safe to use without cooking!

                                So this is a non-issue unless you are separating them by hand at home. Even then if that is what you do grab a bottle of biotin just about anywhere, it is cheap and helps with BG.

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