Muscle Soreness

[Khan]

Alright guys, I'm curious to see opinions on this one.

In all my constant weight raising lately I've been less sore even if I feel I nailed the muscle to the point of no return when I trained.

I love the pain, and want it back. In our case is it no pain- no gain, or is it okay not to be sore? I know my diet and extreme stretching is NOT preventing me from the soreness I used to have. It does increase recovery time, but never use to eliminate soreness.

This is the first time in a long time I haven't felt completely sore all over (and this happened the last 4 weeks of the blast)

It could be a matter of my intensity, but that would be subjective and I know I go all out.

[MsteveM]

my opinion is that soreness is not an indicator of growth (i always used to get extremely sore when i didnt know what the hell i was doing, but never grew much and also didnt increase lifts much either). you know whether or not you went all-out on your exercise, and i beleive you did. strength is an indicator of growth, so if the weights are going up at max intensity its working. i personally woulndt worry about it just as long as the strength increases aren't suffering any.

[rowtogrow]

I agree with steve that soreness is not a clear indicator of growth as you can still be growing without it, but what has happend is your body has addapted to that particular kind of stress(meaning the movement) As long as strength gains are still coming keep going, but when that slows and you move on to different exercises you will become sore again.

Train Heavy!
RTG

[bigp3]

I have made great strength and muscle gains without getting very sore pushing my workouts to the limit while at the same time I get sore as can be helping move a desk in the office,,, lol.. So who the hell knows.

[Brian]

It's perfectly normal for the soreness to go away after a week or two of intense training. If anything, persistent DOMS is an indicator of inconsistency in your training. Once your muscles adapt to your training routine, the extreme soreness should pretty much disappear.

[In-Human]

You guys are all pussies, if you ain't sore you didn't do shit in the gym, its ok I was a girl once to in the gym too, damn am I at BB.com or something...

[berkshirebody]

Damn

[In-Human]

If you want to get into it here, there are four factors of DOMS, 1) small tears in the muscle tissue, 2) retention of fluids in tissues, 3) muscle spasms, 4) overstretching and causing small tears in the tissue harness.

This all depends on intensity and duration of effort, and this in no way has to be from lactate build up to have DOMS...

[MsteveM]

heres another soreness thread just for the heck of it

http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=4787

[eric89]

Does anyone get muscle soreness in their traps and shoulders after squats? Last two times i've squatted the next day my shoulders and traps are sore a hell. Although I rarely ever get muscle soreness in my shoulders after working them out.

[In-Human]

Does anyone get muscle soreness in their traps and shoulders after squats? Last two times i've squatted the next day my shoulders and traps are sore a hell. Although I rarely ever get muscle soreness in my shoulders after working them out.

Sometimes just the bar placement and of course the weight you use can cause your muscle to have a liitle pain from the stress of the bar and reaching back and really grabbing the bar hard can cause your Traps and Rear Delts to contract...

[skarhead]

Soreness is NOT an indicator of Growth... For an Example, I could lift a conversion van with my biceps and they would NEVER get sore, but yet, they continue to grow very fast and acquire much strength. on the othe rhand, my chest gets SORE AS SHIT every time..

[BiggerStronger]

you can lift a conversion van?!?!? that's amazing.

[In-Human]

Soreness is NOT an indicator of Growth

Please, prove it!...

[USMuscle9403]

I think that skarhead meant that if you went into the gym and pressed up and down on calf raises with no weight on it for an ass load of reps or some ridiculous crap liek that. Sure, your calves will be sore in teh morning, but no actual growth is going to occur. Getting sore from a hardcore-ass workout is a whole 'nother ball game.