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  • Some people are just losing the concept of DC training.

    What does every starting out bodybuilder want in bodybuilding? To get the biggest the fastest way possible. What is the number one problem in bodybuilding? Getting shredded? Hamstring detail? separation? No its size. Most bodybuilders arent big enough and they need to be bigger, especially at the lower levels of the sport.

    So what puts muscle mass on a person the quickest way possible? Training progressively recovering and training progressively again, repeat repeat repeat.

    Everyone has a genetic blueprint, some will have standout arms, some have standout legs, some have standout chest and back, some have crappy everything, some have standout everything <---and this is the group you see usually go on to be very successfull bodybuilders if everything else falls into place. You dont see any of the top 10 Olympia guys walking around with no arms or a crappy back.

    What you have in the beginning is what you are going to have in the end and it is starting to piss me off seeing how many bodybuilders on these boards have their heads up their ass in reasoning of what training CAN and CANNOT do. Peter Putnams back is subpar....do you think that is a product of his training routine or his genetic blueprint? ITS HIS GENETIC BLUEPRINT. His training routine didnt produce his subpar back, just like Milos's training routine didnt produce his subpar arms, just like titus's training routine didnt produce his subpar chest. Should I assume since Jay Cutler likes to do volume training that that training routine produced Jays wider waist? Did Markus Ruhls training routine produce his subpar triceps? Every single bodybuilder can try their best to improve weak bodyparts and if you get really intricate with it there are ways to do it (both with a quirky weird exercise way and also the Ruhl way..LOL)......but your genetic blueprint both impedes you and lets you succeed in the sport.

    So back to DC training. What training routine will get your unique genetic blueprint the absolute largest muscle mass wise in the shortest time possible? IMO training bodyparts progressively 74 times a year or so beats training bodyparts progressively 52 times a year....and you quickly get up the size ladder which AGAIN is what this is all about. IN 4 years you would be doing close to 300 workouts for chest vs 200 workouts for chest in those 4 years with typical training. THATS A BIG DIFFERENCE in hypertrophy.

    So where are you at that point? Are you large enough now that if i was training you I would change things frequency wise? You could be. But that beginning phase needed to be taken. Even today I have advanced guys who were injured or even someone like Dave Henry who want to put their size back on pronto and go back to the MON WEN FRI MON or MON TUES THURS FRI split.

    So I want you to grasp something because I keep seeing people saying "this kind of training or that kind of training produces this"

    Branch Warren and Johnny Jackson are training partners and have been for many many years off and on. Branch has also lifted with another guy for almost 20 years now. Without a doubt their progressive heavy training has produced incredible thickness (especially with Branch's and Johnny's chests), Johnny's back, their delts, their traps. There is no doubt that their progressively heavy slag iron training has resulted in serious dense tissue. Now their training.....The very same training that has lead to Branch's monstrous legs has produced Johnny Jackson's achilles heel (his leg size)....is Branch's training to blame? No its the genetic blueprint....could Johnny do something that increases his quad size a little bit more. Yea he would probably have to get pretty ingenious and figure out something weird that might eke (and i do mean eke because he is near 40 now and been training a long time) a little more size out of those quads.....but lets not mince words....he is never going to even get remotely close to Branch in quad size. The very same training that produced Branch and Johnny's insane thickness over the last 20 years has produced their training partners physique http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/...browse&id=4058

    Im not taking anything away from Jay Moore but obviously he is not on the level of Branch or Johnny even though he has been blasting away for decades in the gym side by side with them. Do you see monstrous quads? Do you see the 6 inch thick pecs that johnny and branch have? Should I assume then that Branch Warren's training doesnt produce thick chests and results in subpar legs because of Johnny Jacksons and Jay Moore?
    My point is this. DC training is devised to get you as large as humanly possible the absolute quickest....and at that point (if i was training you i would look at you and switch you over to something that i think can fix the weaknesses that your genetic blueprint has given us)....so hypothetically if you are 20 years old and 5'9 160 and want to be big one day.....you DC train for 4 years and now you give me a guy who is 5'9 210....awesome...i got a really good peice of clay to work with now.....whereas if you followed some 52 time a year bodypart training routine i might have a guy who is 5'9 185 and i have to tell you "well you need to put a few more years of bombing away into this bro because you still dont have the size"
    So what do i do at a point that a guy has gotten up to a good size bodybuilder? I access his physique and i go after his weaknesses. If at that point he is really good size muscle mass wise but with some weaknesses, do you know how much easier my job just got? 1000 times over easier.
    So you guys allready know this but i split the body into roughly 2 ways for guys who need muscle mass and need it the fastest way possible. For intermediate guys I still want them building muscle mass fast so i usually split the body up threeways and work on some weaker bodyparts that way with extra work.
    At the elite levels where you are talking a really big boy, someone like Cedric or Dusty or Dave or Dave Smith or Homonuncleus or someone who has alot of muscle mass packed on their frame.....I like to go with this plan of attack usually

    sunday chest and abs
    monday biceps and forearms and calves and abs
    tuesday hams and quads
    wenesday off
    thursday shoulders and triceps and abs
    friday back calves and abs
    sat off

    Why? Because their size is built...they need to increase in size still which this still does .....but the number one problem at this level is how to bring up weaker bodyparts usually.

    So a sunday chest workout might look like something like this

    incline smith press
    all warmups and then
    allout restpause set for 13-20rp

    Hoist or Hammer decline press
    all warmups and then
    allout restpause set for 13-20rp

    Flat dumbell press
    all warmups and then
    allout STRAIGHT set for 12 reps

    stretch

    rope pulldown ab crunch
    warmups and then all out set for 30 reps rest paused or 20 reps straight.

    Now if that person had a weak bodypart I would probably get pretty unique with his training...and find weird exercises that put him into mechanical positions that he hasnt done before.......for example biceps...if someone has been doing biceps for many years they have used the plethora of exercises out there...and all variations of curls are obviously not doing the trick....i have them do 3 distinct variations for biceps that they have never done before and that usually gets their biceps to respond...(I hit on this a while back with that GET WEIRD WITH IT thread i left)

    I digress.....so what you are seeing above is a gameplan. A gameplan that alot of people are forgetting about.....a gameplan alot of people on other boards who have their head up their ass just dont grasp....

    How do you become an elite bodybuilder trainingwise as quickly as possible?
    By following a routine by a professional bodybuilder who is allready massive and doing every foo foo exercise he does (even when it wont do jack shit for you right now except to impede into your recovery so you cannot train that bodypart again quickly?)
    or
    Train progressively and short with alot of frequency.....get your overall size up as quickly as possible....at that point you might have standout bodyparts and some bodyparts that are somewhat behind or heck you might be pretty even......you then reaccess your physique (AT A POINT WHERE YOU TRULY HAVE ENOUGH MUSCLE MASS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING IF YOU ARE A BODYBUILDER) and at an intermediate point try to keep getting bigger by compromising a little bit of frequency with widowmakers and weird exercises to get weaker bodyparts to respond.......tiem goes by.........you then get to a point where you are a pretty massive individual and frequency goes to the point where everyone else is at and you get after it getting subpar bodyparts up.

    Is the gameplan clearer? Nothing pains me more than seeing a guy with 16 inch arms wondering if he isnt doing enough volume and thats why he isnt growing.

    HERE IS THE BASIC SECRET...IM GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU...YOUR GOING TO FEEL REALLY DUMB AFTER READING THIS SECRET BECAUSE YOU ALLREADY KNEW IT

    The road that takes you here (most importantly FOOD, supplements, and if you make that decisions someday... even drugs) and the day you

    Incline press 405 for 12 reps
    smith military press 330 for 12 reps
    deadlift 550 for 12 reps
    close grip bench press 405 for 12 reps
    deep squat 500 for 20 reps
    pulldown 400 for 15 reps
    dumbell curl 80's cleanly for 20 reps
    etc etc etc etc

    or just the road you take in trying to achieve the above will result in you being massive as a bodybuilder....within what your own genetic blueprint will allow you.....if you have ronnie colemans blueprint let me be the first one to congratulate you on your Mr Olympia wins.

    It is that simple....
    Last edited by Doggcrapp; 12-16-2011, 01:52 PM.
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  • #2
    Great post Dante, thank you for laying it out without any bullshit or fluff.

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    • #3
      Thank you for the refresher post!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Doggcrapp View Post



        Incline press 405 for 12 reps
        smith military press 330 for 12 reps
        deadlift 550 for 12 reps
        close grip bench press 405 for 12 reps
        deep squat 500 for 20 reps
        pulldown 400 for 15 reps
        dumbell curl 80's cleanly for 20 reps
        etc etc etc etc
        That list is going to be printed out and put up on my wall. Goals.

        Thanks for taking the time to write up that post Dante...always appreciated when you chime in.

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        • #5
          Lock- I think this should be in the motivational thread you started. I feel like hitting the gym right now!
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          • #6
            I've been on and off with DC training and it's good to read this, reminds me of exactly what I was looking for when starting DC, getting big fast and as humanly possible, plain and simple. The only reason I decided to stop with DC after my last blast was because I decided to pick up my strength so the program would be more productive.

            Great post Dante.
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            • #7
              The only things I have changed , while getting older is the rep range and the extra days off , when my body tells me so , even if I have to pay more attention to what he is saying.
              "An egg yolk is a terrible thing to waste"
              J.M.

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              • #8
                Nice Read..
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                • #9
                  Thank you!

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the friendly slap to the face. Nose back to the grindstone...
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                    • #11
                      Such a timely post. I needed this right now. Thanks Dante!
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                      • #12
                        For those of us who aren't competitive bodybuilders and just want to continue to get as big and strong as possible, is staying on the basic 2-way split indefinitely the way to go?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SDMF View Post
                          For those of us who aren't competitive bodybuilders and just want to continue to get as big and strong as possible, is staying on the basic 2-way split indefinitely the way to go?
                          Yes.

                          BTW, nice post Dante.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LearningDC View Post
                            Yes.

                            BTW, nice post Dante.
                            with the kind of iron you play with , can you fit all warm ups into a schedule of 2 way?

                            I am now on 3 way as warming up the old bouncer body takes time , and long sessions kill my cns.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bouncer dave View Post
                              with the kind of iron you play with , can you fit all warm ups into a schedule of 2 way?

                              I am now on 3 way as warming up the old bouncer body takes time , and long sessions kill my cns.
                              I kind of bounce between the two...but you are not kidding about the warm-ups.:eyebrows:
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                              2001 WABDL World Record Breaker Bench Press Championships 1st place 275lb class
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