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  • Just starting on DC, felt like the logical step for me

    My first post here, hello everyone.

    Even though most people say DC training and nutrition seems very unconventional, I believe I trained (and ate) in a manner very similar to DC before ever even reading about it.

    I've been training for 7 years now, although the first 3 years were pretty much just messing around with the weights on side of track & field and basketball. After quitting both sports my training has been a lot more serious and organized for the last 4 years.

    I gained very well on a Heavy Duty program (3 workouts a week) and experimented with various different kinds of methods through the years.

    In 1999 I read Stuart McRoberts book Beyond Brawn, which puts a big emphasis on the gradual progression of resistance in training. I kind of believed that one, and have kept a log book ever since. Even though I did experiment with instinctual training and pump-seeking methods, I always did try to at least beat whatever I did last time.

    Now I know I should have focused solely on beating what I did the last time, but back then I thought it couldn't be just progression of training weights that would build muscle. So I sort of tried to use many old-school bodybuilding techniques to really "blast" the muscle into growth, and figured that if I could gain strength via supersetting, giant-setting, volume training, pre-exhaustion, and all that kind of exotic "blitz-bombing", I would build more muscle than if I gained strength on simple strength-oriented training.

    Needless to say, I was convinced one could only train a muscle once every 7-9 days in order to recuperate properly.

    Now I know better.

    Around 5 months ago I developed myself a strength-oriented basic program that was split in two workouts and had me working out either every other day or 3 days a week, depending on my schedule.

    The program was as outlined:

    Workout 1
    • Front squat
    • Leg curl
    • Leg press
    • Biceps curl
    • Triceps extension


    Workout 2
    • Deadlift (every other w/o dumbbell rows)
    • Incline press
    • Pull-up
    • Seated db press
    • Calf raise


    I did two straight sets on all exercises and my only goal was to increase the poundages in each exercise for a given number of reps.

    Because the training frequency was obviously higher than what I had been accustomed to, I made a point to stretch the whole body thouroughly every day (I normally would just stretch on my days off) to aid in recovering from the workouts.

    The program worked wonderfully - even though I was on a low-carb cutting diet for the last 6 weeks of it, I could add weight or reps to my exercises almost every single workout. I wonder how I would have progressed had I been in a caloric surplus.

    After training 4 months on the routine, I definitely needed a break. My joints had started to ache to some degree, and now I have been resting my CNS and connective tissues by doing higher reps and using a program split in 4 workouts.

    Anyway. I had already determined to go back to very basic strength-oriented training, preferably a 2-way split with 3 workouts a week, when I for some reason noticed the Doggcrapp threads at Musclemayhem.

    Even though I think I was really on to something after having experienced the effectiveness of the aforementioned program, reading about DC training was sort of a natural next step for me. All the principles made sense right from the start, and I didn't find it unconventional at all because I had been training in a similar manner already.

    Nutritionwise, I have been separating carbs and fats for a long time now (although I believe it is John Berardi who was popularised this method the most). For years I have added oil to my protein shakes (in a protein/fat -meal of course), and have used stretching (regular and fascia stretching) for years as well in order to aid recovery.

    So, being already used to many of the elements of the DC method, I feel it's only natural to take the next step and take on DC training.

    I am currently 6'2" and a little less than 220 lbs - time to gain some serious size. And I am convinced DC is THE way to do it. I might even post some pictures of my progress on it, the "before" pictures would be the ones taken about 3 weeks ago:

    http://members.tiscali.fi/hulkki/2004.htm

    (Damn this got to be a lengthy post ; I just wanted to introduce myself - not tell my whole life story)
    Last edited by U-Hulk; 08-20-2004, 12:39 AM.

  • #2
    Welcome to IM, U-Hulk.

    Sounds like you got a good handle on your training.
    CrossFit Champions
    Champions Combat Arts

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    • #3
      at 21 you're looking good bro. any competition plans/history? good luck with dc training, stay here and you'll learn a hell of a lot real quick.

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      • #4
        Thanks, Munster.

        But I must say I believe I have always spent too much time thinking about training, when I really should have been thinking about nutrition.

        My bodyweight has been roughly the same for two years now even though my strength has increased during that time, and I now understand it has been my trying to stay too lean all the time that has hindered my progress most.

        So it's time to really hit the dinner table; I am sick and tired of being no more than 220. I guess 230 or 240 would be much nicer at my height - for starters of course .

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        • #5
          Originally posted by U-Hulk
          Thanks, Munster.

          But I must say I believe I have always spent too much time thinking about training, when I really should have been thinking about nutrition.

          My bodyweight has been roughly the same for two years now even though my strength has increased during that time, and I now understand it has been my trying to stay too lean all the time that has hindered my progress most.

          So it's time to really hit the dinner table; I am sick and tired of being no more than 220. I guess 230 or 240 would be much nicer at my height - for starters of course .
          If you've been studying up on DC training I'm sure you already know the basics of the eating part.
          Just remember, if you are 220 and want to be 250, you have to eat like you are 275. Shovel the food in and watch the carb cutoff. Eat your way to the next level.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by flexmaster
            at 21 you're looking good bro. any competition plans/history?
            Thanks, you're not looking too shabby yourself either (assuming that's you on your avatar).

            No way I could compete anytime soon - I live in Finland and the only contests we have here are the Jr Nationals and Nationals. I would absolutely love to compete, but even with drugs I suppose it would take quite some years to get to that level.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by U-Hulk
              Thanks, you're not looking too shabby yourself either (assuming that's you on your avatar).

              No way I could compete anytime soon - I live in Finland and the only contests we have here are the Jr Nationals and Nationals. I would absolutely love to compete, but even with drugs I suppose it would take quite some years to get to that level.
              all it takes is time and the will to do it. if you want it bad enough you can do it.

              yes, that's me in my avatar. it's nothing compared to the guys here.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by flexmaster
                all it takes is time and the will to do it. if you want it bad enough you can do it.
                Well, I really wish it was that simple but I do believe I would have to start using super supps sooner or later in order to get there, and I'm just not sure if I am ready to do that. Maybe some day, but not at least in a few more years - I still have plenty of natural growth ahead of me.

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                • #9
                  welcome!

                  nice to have another dc-rookie from Finland

                  jos kiinnostaa, voitais vaihtaa ajatuksia jossakin vaiheessa suomeksi yv:nä

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                  • #10
                    Looking great, you should try AF in Luciapokalen or Decembercupen! Maybe it's just the pictures but you look dry as dust :smooch:

                    yksi kaksi kolme... Or something ;]

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tejpis
                      Looking great, you should try AF in Luciapokalen or Decembercupen!
                      Thanks, but I'm nowhere near competition level in terms of muscle mass (or conditioning for that matter).

                      I'm going to try to build more mass in the next few years and then see if I want to take it up to the next level (meaning super supps) so that I could compete one day.

                      As much as I would like to think otherwise, in Finland it is universally believed that without drugs it is absolutely impossible to gain the kind of size needed in competition, let alone get shredded for a contest without losing all ones muscle.

                      But who cares about that right now? Time to get stronger, time to get bigger.

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                      • #12
                        Welcome aboard, U-Hulk!
                        "The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." -
                        Theodore Rubin

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                        • #13
                          Thanks, Lil'Missus. I can't start DC training for another month or so (going to switch to another gym) but I'm going to try to learn as much as possible about the system before I begin applying it.

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