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    I have doing some reading on this idea and wanted to get some input from you guys and possible ideas. There have been a lot of discussion flying around lately about caloric and carb cycling and this got me thinking about this topic more in depth.

    I am going give you guys the basic lowdown on what I am talking about for those of you who don’t know. The theory behind caloric and carb cycling is that that after a short period of extreme caloric depletion (2 weeks or less) there is a rebound effect of sorts. What this supposedly does is open up a several week window after the caloric restriction where you can consume ungodly amounts of foods without fat gain. This plays on the principle that your body always is striving for homeostasis and this is an effect of that. An example of this theory in practice is seeing someone who week after they did a show and they actually look better than they did at show time. This is probably due to the fact that they have been gorging themselves with food during this period. We have all seen this in action a million times. This window of opportunity is only suspected to last about 2 weeks or less, but it has also been speculated that with the use of super supplements and thermogenics that this period of time could be extended to 4 to 6 weeks.

    With all this out of the way what I am going to say sounds obvious now. Why not eat like a horse for 5 weeks or so during your blasting period and go on a low to 0 carb restricted calorie diet on your 2 week cruise. This would make sense if these theories are true. The speculation behind this is that you can actually gain more muscle mass this way since it reduces the gain of body fat when bulking.

    Now the question is does this really work? I want to get ideas and input from all of you guys on this topic. If it sounds like something that may be reasonable I may consider using myself as the lab rat to test this theory.
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    It sound like it would workout do to the rebound effect. your body is craving all of this energy and then when it gets it it begans an immediate supercompinsation. It sound good in theory but I don't know if it would work.
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    • #3
      Wouldn't you loose a lot of muscle during the cruise?

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      • #4
        I think it would work. There are a couple guys over MM that have tried it with some success without the DC program of course.

        Also if you keep you protein high and unsat. fat intake up then it would make sense to be an effective muscle retaining cruise.

        Sounds interesting
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        • #5
          Originally posted by hompie
          Wouldn't you loose a lot of muscle during the cruise?

          thats what I would be worried about... unless you are taking a good amount of super supps and/or a shitload of protein

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          • #6
            The whole idea is that you keep your protein high throughout to keep the muscle loss at a minimum. Also, honestly how much would you really lose in 2 weeks. Anything that you did lose you probably would regain in your first week of the high calorie diet.

            Keep the ideas coming guys, this has my interest high right now.
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            • #7
              bigp3 im in about the middle of a blast right now... I may need to try that next cruise... VERY low carbs im talking about a quarter cup of oatmeal or half a bowl of high quality cereal, no milk, the WHOLE day... who knows if it would work???

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              • #8
                it has my interests peaked for sure,,, I may be overanalyzing things with this, but it does seem to be some kind of supersaturation effect after depleting yourself. It is evident in everyone that does a show..
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                • #9
                  it may have to do with water intake as well...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Richard85
                    it may have to do with water intake as well...
                    Yea I am sure that you body uptakes water after a show and pulls it into the muscle due to the glycogen stores being replinished, but there seems to be something more to this than that and that is what I am trying to figure out!!
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                    • #11
                      Muscle Media had a several part article/interview of some Swedish guy (Torburne?) and there is a article at t-nation about a revised program for bodybuilders. They call it abcde or anabolic burst cycling diet and exercise. I tried the two week cycling version and got incredibly lean and maintained my muscle mass, but didn't gain much muscle. Of course I may not have eaten enough during the buliking phase. That used to be a problem for me.

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                      • #12
                        You guys want me to be the guinea pig? No offense to Rich's avatar, LMAO. Of course everyone's body will respond a little differently, but I can give it a shot...

                        At first when I opened the thread though, I thought you were going to talk about the traditional carb cycling...sort of like the kind I did last time I (tried to) cut up. The idea was to go by a schedule of carbohydrate consumption throughout the week. This is back when I was only doing one bodypart a week mind you. I would situate my highest carb day *not my load day* around leg day, and the rest would fall where it would. I would then have a load day on Sunday, where I'd consume about 350-400g of carbs. However the rest of the week would be set up like this...

                        Monday - Chest - 50g
                        Tuesday - Back - 100g
                        Wednesday - Shoulders - 150g
                        Thursday - Legs - 200g
                        Friday - Biceps/Triceps - 50g
                        Saturday - 0g
                        Sunday - 350-400g

                        This worked extremely well for me until I came across DC training seriously and decided to fuck the cutting part

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                        • #13
                          Its not a guniea pig its a bunny asshole LOL

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                          • #14
                            I honestly was thinking of something on a larger scale. I really don't think you could see an appreciable muscle gain by carb cycling through out the week,,, but I may be wrong. In my opinion this is to short of a period to make gains and you would be down cycling your carbs when your body is trying to recover from the brutal workouts on the DC system.

                            Here was my idea. Do a longer term high caloric/ carb intake such as 4 to 6 weeks so you can see some decent muscle gains and give your body the ability to recover from the workouts. After finishing this period, you reset your system with the starvation mode for a week or 2 while you are cruising so not as much is needed for recovery. It is just an idea. What do you think??
                            Last edited by bigp3; 07-25-2004, 09:54 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Oh yea, I knew what your point was...I was just throwing mine out there It's one of those things that sounds pretty iffy to me, but like I said I will be more than glad to let you know if I decide to try it. Now when you say very low calories or 'starvation' mode, how low do you really mean? I know you still mean high protein, but how much and how much of the other macronutrients too? Would you say to still do cardio during the cruise period or forego it to decrease muscle loss?

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