I am probably going to get beat up over this!! LOL

[bigbee]

Ok I have a question that I was trying to keep private, but thought there may be some others that have the same question. SO I'll take the heat.

I did DC Training for 2 blasts with great results I might add. Now heres my question.

Are you supposed to used super slow negatives?

I could have sworn that I read Dante used a 12 to 13 count and that was usually about 10 seconds!

Well I was very diligent in using this technique, however some other DC'ers and I have had a discussion on this and all of a sudden I can't find this quote!
DID I DREAM THIS!

I also have seen some Vids with people doing DC and it's not using the slow reps that I thought you were supposed to use!

I know I know there is no set "LAWS" to DC but if I'm going to do this I want to make sure I'm doing this correctly and not half assed!

Can someone answer.

PS. I HAVE SEARCHED THE STICKIES FOR A FEW DAYS AND I CANNOT FIND IT!!! that is why I'm asking!

[Hbs6]

just control, nothing super slow.

[The Dude]

Just do a controlled negative. "Controlled" meaning you could stop and reverse direction if you had to. No need to count seconds or anything.

[ScottMcDonough]

I'd beat you up if you weren't bigger than me... just kidding though, slow and controlled. He said things like 8 seconds cause people tend to machine gun 12345678 and in reality are at 3-4 seconds.

[bigbee]

thanks guys that what I have started doing. I was wondering why the weights I was using were a lot lighter than other people! LOL After doing DC through 2 blasts with a 10 sec negative, it seems like a piece of cake now! J/K Dante! LOL! just saying, THANK GOD THE 10SEC NEGATIVES ARE DONE!

[kamal]

heh! I made exactly the same mistake last year - now I just control it..

[IronReload 04]

just to help you out with the quote to put you at ease


like everyone else said, ya just control the thing


but the word "superslow" i believe has been used for after failure of the set......so you would do your first mini set, like normal, then when you fail, end with a superslow.......the superslow is the only for failure..........and if you think about, really think about it, when you are taxed like that after the first mini, and you want to end with the negative, you are forced to go superslow without even realizing it, becuase the more taxed you are, the slower the bar gets lowered to keep control consistant


thats my interpretation of the word "superslow"

[HYPNOSIS 247]

The fukkin search function is pissing me off. I know for a damn fact I read a post by Dante saying to do a 6 second superslow negative on the very last rep of each mini-set.When possible finish on the negative and do it acouple seconds slower than the rest of your reps. He was also saying how this got all clusterfucked by people doing all their negatives superslow. I think it was actually an excerpt from an interview-article Im not sure since the search button returns no results for my keywords. :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:

[Jay Cook]

the posts about superslow negatives is most likely from his old cycles for pennies thread.

Dante has stated many a time that there is no set number, but make sure you've got control of the weight at all times...

remember that at one point in the past dante may have recommended such super slow negatives, but like most things, it has evolved and changed over time.

don't count, just control it.

[Ken Skip Hill]

Hypnosis - please change that avatar. If you had kids you wouldn't think that was very funny.

Skip

[Doggcrapp]

The fukkin search function is pissing me off. I know for a damn fact I read a post by Dante saying to do a 6 second superslow negative on the very last rep of each mini-set.When possible finish on the negative and do it acouple seconds slower than the rest of your reps. He was also saying how this got all clusterfucked by people doing all their negatives superslow. I think it was actually an excerpt from an interview-article Im not sure since the search button returns no results for my keywords. :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:

No you did not read that by me, Inhuman liked to do something like that, I didnt neccesarily agree with that in all cases....but I have said "if you have a partner its always good to finish on the negative if you can on certain exercises, and if you know your not going to get another positive rep anyway, you might as well lower it slow.

I told people to use a 6 second negative back in the day knowing people counted fast when they were breathing heavy and exerting great energy (which usually came out to 123456 (2-3 seconds).....people started using stop watches and having their partners count .......big mistake on my part.

I cannot believe after all the damage control all these years on this topic ive done that this is still coming around.

Can we clear this up for once and for all? Alot of cellular damage happens during an eccentric phase.....I want control. Depending on the exercise and range of motion control can mean 1-2 second or 3-4 seconds, I got no idea how tall you are or what exercise your using---i sure as hell wouldnt want to see someone drop the negative on a preacher curl in one second that is for sure. All i want is you to lower the bar so that in your head you know that if you had to......you could reverse direction and go the other way (christ lets say for hypothetical reasons there was a bunson burner flame there and you had to come back up or you would get burnt--LOL)
During a rest pause set of lets say 11-20rp....lets hypothetically use bicep curls, lets say during your first rest pause you got 9 reps and on the 9th curl upward you absolutely know you are spent--you got nothing--there is no chance in hell of getting #10....now if you can why not lower the bar a little bit slower than normal and use the negative to your advantage on that rep, your not getting another positive rep....and if you cant and you are so absolutely spent you can only lower it at our normal (control) lowering pace...then thats fine too--no problem. Arrrrrgh just control the negative......

[glennr2222]

No you did not read that by me, Inhuman liked to do something like that, I didnt neccesarily agree with that in all cases....but I have said "if you have a partner its always good to finish on the negative if you can on certain exercises, and if you know your not going to get another positive rep anyway, you might as well lower it slow.

I told people to use a 6 second negative back in the day knowing people counted fast when they were breathing heavy and exerting great energy (which usually came out to 123456 (2-3 seconds).....people started using stop watches and having their partners count .......big mistake on my part.

I cannot believe after all the damage control all these years on this topic ive done that this is still coming around.

Can we clear this up for once and for all? Alot of cellular damage happens during an eccentric phase.....I want control. Depending on the exercise and range of motion control can mean 1-2 second or 3-4 seconds, I got no idea how tall you are or what exercise your using---i sure as hell wouldnt want to see someone drop the negative on a preacher curl in one second that is for sure. All i want is you to lower the bar so that in your head you know that if you had to......you could reverse direction and go the other way (christ lets say for hypothetical reasons there was a bunson burner flame there and you had to come back up or you would get burnt--LOL)
During a rest pause set of lets say 11-20rp....lets hypothetically use bicep curls, lets say during your first rest pause you got 9 reps and on the 9th curl upward you absolutely know you are spent--you got nothing--there is no chance in hell of getting #10....now if you can why not lower the bar a little bit slower than normal and use the negative to your advantage on that rep, your not getting another positive rep....and if you cant and you are so absolutely spent you can only lower it at our normal (control) lowering pace...then thats fine too--no problem. Arrrrrgh just control the negative......

Got a headache yet D?! lol

[SuperD]

No you did not read that by me, Inhuman liked to do something like that, I didnt neccesarily agree with that in all cases....but I have said "if you have a partner its always good to finish on the negative if you can on certain exercises, and if you know your not going to get another positive rep anyway, you might as well lower it slow.

I told people to use a 6 second negative back in the day knowing people counted fast when they were breathing heavy and exerting great energy (which usually came out to 123456 (2-3 seconds).....people started using stop watches and having their partners count .......big mistake on my part.

I cannot believe after all the damage control all these years on this topic ive done that this is still coming around.

Can we clear this up for once and for all? Alot of cellular damage happens during an eccentric phase.....I want control. Depending on the exercise and range of motion control can mean 1-2 second or 3-4 seconds, I got no idea how tall you are or what exercise your using---i sure as hell wouldnt want to see someone drop the negative on a preacher curl in one second that is for sure. All i want is you to lower the bar so that in your head you know that if you had to......you could reverse direction and go the other way (christ lets say for hypothetical reasons there was a bunson burner flame there and you had to come back up or you would get burnt--LOL)
During a rest pause set of lets say 11-20rp....lets hypothetically use bicep curls, lets say during your first rest pause you got 9 reps and on the 9th curl upward you absolutely know you are spent--you got nothing--there is no chance in hell of getting #10....now if you can why not lower the bar a little bit slower than normal and use the negative to your advantage on that rep, your not getting another positive rep....and if you cant and you are so absolutely spent you can only lower it at our normal (control) lowering pace...then thats fine too--no problem. Arrrrrgh just control the negative......

I'd go ahead and Sticky that post.

Hopefully the Official DC DVD will clear up a lot of these questions once and for all.

[SuperD]

Hypnosis - please change that avatar. If you had kids you wouldn't think that was very funny.

Skip

Agreed. There is just no need for that. Not at all.

[bigbee]

Thanks everyone for the input!