Why dont they listen to me--god!

[Doggcrapp]

Second trainee Ive told to stay away from flat barbell benching and they wont listen and tear a pec. I told him smythe incline is what I want him doing instead of flat barbell bench. This gets frustrating sometimes

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forum/cg...;f=15;t=13672;

[babygetoboy]

I can't understand it either. If you look and see who gets the best results from you and your training, it's the ones who do whatever the hell you say, doesn't matter what. If DC told me to drink my piss because it contained some secret growth factor I would, just because he told me ( well , maybe not piss lol) But all of us who have done exactly what he's said have seen incredible results. Why deviate????

[rackitup]

Originally posted by Doggcrapp
Second trainee Ive told to stay away from flat barbell benching and they wont listen and tear a pec. I told him smythe incline is what I want him doing instead of flat barbell bench. This gets frustrating sometimes

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forum/cg...;f=15;t=13672;

Im worried all the smythe work is detrimental to stabiliser muscle strength and work?

Im doing weighted dips, freeweight Incline press and ......barbell press. What SHOULD I be doing instead? Slight incline smythe or flat smythe? Quickly before I tare a pec

Thanks
RKP

[homonunculus]

Sorry to hear that, DC. I know where you're coming from. It, to me, is very disrespectful not to listen to your advice, and pretty stupid, given that they're paying you. I would think anyone in their right mind would at least give it enough time to see how it works before trying to modify things and stick your own exercises in there. Of course, the ego, as he said, has a strong influence over reason...

There was a young guy at my gym who did his 1st show a little over a month ago. I was duped - by my good nature and his apparent innocence - into helping him with his last week's prep. He had another friend who was supposed to help, but was basically leaving him out to dry so I took pity.

Gave him the plan to practice at 2 weeks out. He didn't drink the water volumes I said to drink, didn't follow the explicit instruction r.e. supplementation and decided to listen to a buddy of his who "used to wrestle" who said that he needed to sit in a sauna and do some cardio while wearing garbage bags.

In his exquisite knowledge, he knew how to modify things with his garbage bag technique to come in dry as a bone. Uh-huh.

Of course, he ended up coming into the show looking like crapola (despite great genetics) also b/c he didn't tan like I had been suggesting for months and left it to his parents, despite my offers to help, to put on his color.

He was still too proud and embarrased to give me a real thanks or apologize. Very amazing given his general good nature. (I think he's a great kid.)

Guess we'll make this the trainer's bitch n' moan thread.

Skip?...

-R

[tybolltt]

Use as directed.

[HungarianBeast]

Re: Why dont they listen to me--god!

Originally posted by Doggcrapp
Second trainee Ive told to stay away from flat barbell benching and they wont listen and tear a pec. I told him smythe incline is what I want him doing instead of flat barbell bench. This gets frustrating sometimes

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forum/cg...;f=15;t=13672;

Another victim of the ego driven "what do you bench" syndrome. It is sad...

[jediclampet]

So what 4 chest exercises should we do (the 4th is for backup when we stagnate on one of the 3 in the rotation)?

[In-Human]

jediclampet, My chest rotation is this, Smythe Incline Press, Decline Bench Press and Hammer Incline Press.

The Hammer Machine is a totally different angle than the Smythe Incline, so find another exercise or piece of equipment that you can make progress on every rotation and murder it to no end...

[Khan]

Hell, I'd die to have DC train me. That guy is a MORON for not listening. DC probably has clients like me stocked up, he should use them, so he doesn't have to worry about stupid stuff like that.

Even it meant drinkin' piss I'd do it to be trained by DC. The price of dedication.

[jediclampet]

Originally posted by In-Human
jediclampet, My chest rotation is this, Smythe Incline Press, Decline Bench Press and Hammer Incline Press.

The Hammer Machine is a totally different angle than the Smythe Incline, so find another exercise or piece of equipment that you can make progress on every rotation and murder it to no end...

Thanks In-Human! Would using dumbbells for incline presses and/or incline flys be another good option?

How about using cables for flys and/or a decline-like motion?

So the problem is that the flat bench press motion (both with a barbell and a dumbbell) is dangerous for the shoulder/pec insertion, correct?

[TooPowerful4u]

Im curious also. What is wrong with flat bench. Im not questioning your knowledge, just lookin to gain some.

[In-Human]

Guys I know shit compared to DC, but in my many years of training, Flat Bench has caused more injuries then you would like to hear, I injured myself with Flat Bench. Like I said bad form on any exercise can cause injury, but this exercise is so damaging to rotators, pecs and elbows. It will build your chest no dout about it, but I think Inclines and Declines are a much better choice, just my .02 cents here.

jediclampet, You can use DBs, but it gets real tough doing r/p unless you have access to a couple of spotters, I think you will have a better chance not to top out and keep progressing for a long time with Machines and BBs...

[hompie]

I tore my pec with a 400 lbs benchpress October last year.
Took me 4 months to recover but in the mind I'm still fucked up while lowering the barbell.
Glad I found DC's training site so I can use the Smith without feeling obligated to do free bench press.
I used to think free weight benching HAD to be in my chest workout period. That's all over.........

[TooPowerful4u]

OK, so no flat bench. I would figure the exercise you could handle the most weight on would give the most growth. Im just gonna ask, il do what im told, but even if im sure (i know everyone says this) that i use near perfect form and im not an ego lifter, can flat bench still be used, or would u avoid it anyway?
How is it rough on rotator cuff when the scalpula isnt being rotated at all?

If i have to kick out flat. . . Would it be ok to use incline barbell one day, and incline smyth machine another?

[Doggcrapp]

If you are adamant on doing flat bench keep the rest paused rep range in a 15-30 range