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  • #16
    Originally posted by Heckman View Post
    Good grief, more people die every day from prescription drugs every damn day...and yet they are still on the market. clearly big brother needs to back off and find something else to ban/go after..what a fucking joke!
    Exactly this ^^
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    • #17
      Originally posted by TLopez View Post
      Don't forget PEANUTS and SHELL FISH!
      I was just reading an article on this the other day..
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Imprezivr6 View Post
        I know young kids who sit on the sofa, play video games for 13hrs a day, eat nothing but fruit snacks, and ho-hos. Might as well regulate that too.
        And none of those things will cause instant death, though their parents may need to have something done with them, as this will increase all of our healthcare costs.

        Originally posted by Heckman View Post
        Good grief, more people die every day from prescription drugs every damn day...and yet they are still on the market. clearly big brother needs to back off and find something else to ban/go after..what a fucking joke!
        You are very correct here. Prescription drugs are a HUGE problem in this country. What I fail to grasp is why just because something else is more jacked up in our society we should give everything of slightly less importance a "free pass".
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        • #19
          Originally posted by bbjeff86 View Post
          And none of those things will cause instant death, though their parents may need to have something done with them, as this will increase all of our healthcare costs.
          .
          Ohhhh instant death is the only thing we are concerned about..hah

          Sorry to break it to you but there are millions upon millions of everyday/household items that can cause "instant death" when used improperly, abused, or consumed in excess. Doesn't mean regulation is the answer.

          Additionally if something says "serving size 1 scoop do not exceed 3 scoops in a 24hr period" and someone takes 18 scoops, is it the supplements fault. Is it the lack of regulation?

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          • #20
            Free men should be able to consume whatever the hell free men want to consume. Yes, WHATEVER they want...kinda goes along with the "free" part.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by thedunhill225 View Post
              Free men should be able to consume whatever the hell free men want to consume. Yes, WHATEVER they want...kinda goes along with the "free" part.
              Would you support a law requiring retailers to I.D. buyers of 'supplements' containing certain ingredients? For example, no sale to anyone younger than 18 years of age?

              My problem is that many of these so called supplements are actually drugs. Substances that are usually derived by synthetic means (DMAA is synthesized more often than extracted) and can do a lot of damage. This goes double for "supplements" like prohormones. They need to be regulated in a way that helps to prevent kids from getting a hold of them.

              DMAA is not even a dietary supplement. What exactly is it supposed to be supplementing?

              But I guess I see your point. I have no issue with adults buying stuff like this. The risk is theirs to take.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by bbjeff86 View Post
                I follow what you are saying and tend to agree... however I do think maybe they should regulate who is taking these things. Alcohol can be good for you, or dangerous depending on how you use it. To me Supplements are no different. I know young kids who drink 3-5 Monsters/day. To me there is a similar risk many supplements, so why not at least require an adult person to have to buy them?

                I don't know if this makes it all of a sudden "bad", but at least let's pull it, make sure it's relatively safe first rather than continuing to sell it for months and potentially risk more lives.
                I would agree with not being able to buy it unless you are an adult or an age limit or something. Pulling it so that adults can't buy it I am not sure about. I can't honestly think of one thing that has been on the shelves in the last 10 years that has had a serious concern for death, can you?

                Off the top of my head: rockstar drinks, ephedra based products and maybe the creatine scare when it was thought that your kidneys were going to shut down.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ken "Skip" Hill View Post
                  I would agree with not being able to buy it unless you are an adult or an age limit or something. Pulling it so that adults can't buy it I am not sure about. I can't honestly think of one thing that has been on the shelves in the last 10 years that has had a serious concern for death, can you?

                  Off the top of my head: rockstar drinks, ephedra based products and maybe the creatine scare when it was thought that your kidneys were going to shut down.

                  Skip
                  On the same page... No I can't think of anything major in recent years.

                  I think an age limit would be good, but there would go probably 50% of the supplement company's market.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Lee Salado View Post
                    I am personally all for having DMAA pulled from the shelves.
                    Even at the lowest recommended dose my heart beats uncomfortably fast and
                    leaves me having palpitations the rest of the day. My brother has had the same experience, so I know there are many of us out there.

                    My concern is for the person who doesn't know any better, buys the supplement, and causes permanent damage or death while using the product as directed. I have read somewhere (will have to find it so I can post it) that DMAA is very similar in structure and effects to amphetamines. I don't care if it is all natural and comes from a plant. Cocaine comes from a plant too.
                    Caffeine causes certain people's hearts to beat fast or irregularly, even when taken as directed. Should we pull caffeine as well?
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                    • #25
                      I think all sorts of things should be legal, as long as enough information is given about the substance. Let those who are fucking retarded enough to misuse them and die go ahead and get cleared out of the gene pool. Why should my choices and freedoms be limited due to the unbelievable ignorance and stupidity of other people?
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ken "Skip" Hill View Post
                        I would agree with not being able to buy it unless you are an adult or an age limit or something. Pulling it so that adults can't buy it I am not sure about. I can't honestly think of one thing that has been on the shelves in the last 10 years that has had a serious concern for death, can you?

                        Off the top of my head: rockstar drinks, ephedra based products and maybe the creatine scare when it was thought that your kidneys were going to shut down.

                        Skip
                        Originally posted by bbjeff86 View Post
                        On the same page... No I can't think of anything major in recent years.

                        I think an age limit would be good, but there would go probably 50% of the supplement company's market.
                        That age limit on cigarettes and alcohol sure made it hard for me to get those things back in high school while I was living at home from older people.... /sarcasm


                        My family owns a few supplement stores. Back when we had prohormones we made it a policy for our store that you had to be 18 to purchase them. I told kids they were too young plenty of times and told them they couldn't buy it.

                        I had parents buy it for their kids, I had friends buy it for other friends. It never stopped them from getting it - it just made them find someone else to do it for them.

                        The idea of requiring an ID to buy certain supplements isn't a bad idea, but I think in practice it is just a bigger regulation on ME as the store owner and a reason for ME to get in trouble when they are going to get the product and use it no matter what.

                        I remember telling parents how badly prohormones would jack their 15 year old son's hormones up and that it was a big mistake for them to even consider purchasing them for their son.. They bought them anyway, all the other kids were taking them and their son was falling behind.

                        Oh and kids under 18 are probably less than 10% of my total sales and business.
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                        • #27
                          I found some of the old Jack3d with DMAA, y'all should be jealous

                          Really, anything consumed without caution or in mass quantities is dangerous. People have died from water overdose!!!! What, do we regulate water consumption? What it comes down to is intelligent use of the product and age only plays a small role in this because there are morons in every age tier.

                          Solution: Survival of the fittest - let the dumb ones sort themselves out by using products that can potentially cause harm with complete disregard and without first learning the potential risks.

                          Result: A much more intelligent, pleasant society.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mentalflex View Post
                            I found some of the old Jack3d with DMAA, y'all should be jealous

                            Really, anything consumed without caution or in mass quantities is dangerous. People have died from water overdose!!!! What, do we regulate water consumption? What it comes down to is intelligent use of the product and age only plays a small role in this because there are morons in every age tier.

                            Solution: Survival of the fittest - let the dumb ones sort themselves out by using products that can potentially cause harm with complete disregard and without first learning the potential risks.

                            Result: A much more intelligent, pleasant society.
                            You want old jack3d with DMAA? Get ahold of me, we stocked up knowing that my customers would want it after it was discontinued.

                            I probably still have 100 bottles. lol
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                            • #29
                              I agree with Sammich and Mentalflex. People are just plain stupid.

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                              • #30
                                Like I always say "Safety Third".

                                Explains everything like this.
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