A bro at my gym said he just...

[Heckman]

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[pumpseeker]

You know more than you think bro. He's just doubling his test dosage using sust and enanthate simultaneously. He should use 1 or the other.

[Heckman]

I guess

[rugbythug]

I am adding a gram of prop to my gram of ICN and man does that help!

[crankin'stein]

Yeah but all your really doing is uping your dose of test.......

It doesn't matter if it is cyp, enth, prop, sust, omnadren, etc...... They are all just test with different esters........

[IM^]

The value of different esters only comes into play depending on what sporting activity you are preparing for. Then, the differences between the various esters become vital. And there IS a difference between Sus and Omna.

[crankin'stein]

Originally posted by IM^
The value of different esters only comes into play depending on what sporting activity you are preparing for. Then, the differences between the various esters become vital. And there IS a difference between Sus and Omna.

Yep.... I was speaking generally about it..... For bodybuilding purposes not athletics....


And most people say omna actually contains the same esters as sust now..... Tho I haven't bothered to go check it out, because both produce very similar results anyway.....

[SuperSport]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by crankin'stein
[B]Yep.... I was speaking generally about it..... For bodybuilding purposes not athletics....


And most people

[SweatMachine]

Ive made gains on Sus and Omnadren...

I like em.....but not with test, with tren and ad50.

[Double]

what is icn? i'm not familiar with that term? i heard it alot on fitnessgeared too but never thought to really ask

[IM^]

Originally posted by SuperSport
I think you may be right crank....I had avoided omnadren in the past, but recently I read at a site that it is now identical to sust...maybe someone can verify this.
Omnadren is usually cheaper.

Let's try to clear up this Omnadren mystery. The following are the testosterone ester in both Omna and Sus:

OMNA.......................................Sustano n
30mg propionate..........................30mg propionate
60mg phenylpropionate..................60mg phenylpropionate
60mg isocaproate.........................60mg isocaproate
100mg caproate...........................100mg decanoate

As you can see, there is a difference in the last ester between the two brands. Also, one needs to point out that the older versions of Omna used the older chemical nomenclature for caproate and listed the last two ingredients of Omna as "isohexanoate" and "hexanoate". This helped create a confusion about the actual differences between the two preparation, however, in reality, they differ in only one ester.

A major difference between Sus and Omna is the difference at which estrogen buildup occurs. People who use Omna will almost invariably report a much higher level of water retention than those using Sus, as the slowest releasing ester in Omna is the caproate, which is slightly faster acting than an enanthate ester.

When something is cheaper, there is always a reason for it. Another point that has frequently been brought up are the differences in the pharmaceutical quality between the two injectables. Omna has often been referred to as the "poor man's Sus" - the cheaper price results from the use of chemicals coming from batches whose quality cannot rival that of the European made Sustanon. However, keep in mind that, with Sus being made by different manufacturers sub-contracted to Organon in different countries, the top quality Sustanon is only one - the medical grade European version. Countries of lower economy will suffer greatly in quality on the pharmaceutical level. All Organon subcontracted manufacturers make Sustanon - not all Sustanon is the same.

[homonunculus]

IM^,

Thanks for beating me to that. I'll add that caproate has a 1/2 life of 9 days vs. 15 days for decanoate.

-Randy

[crankin'stein]

Thanks for the info IM^. Like I said, I never bothered to go find out for sure, because I just use sust anyway....

[IM^]

Anytime guys. Knowledge is power but sharing is the whetstone upon which knowledge is honed.