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  • Proposed cycle

    Week 1-12
    Test enan 1500 mg wk
    Equi 600mg wk
    slin 8u post workout
    Week 9-12 add
    IGF @ 50 mcg pd
    GH 5iu pd
    Week 13 - 16
    Prop 100 mg ed
    Tren 100 mg ed
    winnie 50 mg ed
    gh 5 iu ed
    slin 8u post workout
    Week 17 - 20
    prop 100 mg ed
    tren 100 mg ed
    masteron 100 mg ed
    winnie 100 mg ed
    add halo's last 10 days, and what the crap, will add three days of drol right at the end and crank up the anti e's to compensate for and sudden bloat in may cause.

    Many thanks for any input bro's - Brian

  • #2
    i take it this is a bulk to cut to precontest cycle
    i see no anti Es listed
    i think the enan is too high
    id run halo the last 4 weeks IMO
    gradually increasing the doses
    the IGF i would split into 4-5 doses a day when u hit 50mcg
    i also think gh and igf at the same time is pointless so id drop the gh
    id throw in 25mcg t3 the last 5-7 weeks
    thats all for the cycle tho, whats ure diet like?
    cardio?
    frk
    :iagree:
    i always agree with what i say

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    • #3
      Thanks for the input Freakn.Yes, this is a precontest bulker/cutter, pretty similar to those I have used in the past.Have been on a maintenance dose of at least 400 mg of Test for the past four years, hence the highish numbers when running a cycle.Will run low T3 (12.5 mg throughout) as well as Armidex and Proviron at the end.

      There is a school of thought that argues that IGF 1 long (half life is about 9 hours, if I remember correctly, unlike the old the IGF 1with its very short half-life) is much more effective if used in conjunction with GH.Anyhoo, I guess the proof will be in the doing. I know that there are some really well respected bro's on the boards that had no results with IGF 1 long, using the same sources that I did.Yet my own experience after doing this for more than 20 years, was that IGF was amazing stuff - like doing my first Sust cycle at 20 years old again!It just gave me a very different look and feel to anything else.

      My diet right now is terrible.I competed in Jun/July at 206 lbs, and am now nudging 270lbs again on the Burger King/Krispy Kreme regiment! Actually I stayed lean at under 8% bf for about 3 years, but had some bad hassles pushing too hard for too long - so I consciously decided to let go a little, well maybe a lot,ttt.Will start cleaning up soon and then it will be balls to the wall with chicken, broccoli, tuna and a little lean red meat.

      Cardio will be on a as needed basis.Did a boatload last year and stopped watching the numbers.Ended up much lighter than I expected after drying out, but it seemed to work out okay.Will be playing a little catch up this time with the wieght being up...every year is a little different.

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      • #4
        I did the IGF then slin 5 on 2 off
        I started The GH after finishing th IGF
        I used 100mg AD50 for 6 weeks in the begining then again @50mg for 4 weeks about 10-6 weeks precontest. masterom 100mg/Prop 100mg ED weeks 6-2 Befor contest
        I tried 250mg winny M-W-F but I think it was way overkill for me- need more like 100mg EOD

        My bulk cycle is similar to yours......
        SweatMachine
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        • #5
          Thanks Sweat.Yeah, I think that we are on the same page - going to have to check out the IGF/GH/Insulin thing a little more.Cannot remember Wyldes validation for it.Quite honestly I did great on just the IGF, so we will see.Thanks bro.

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          • #6
            IGF1 with Slin is ruff... It intensifies the insulines effect by 10X and HypoG is a real side effect. The GH reduces insuline sensitive where the IGF increses insuline sensitivity.

            hope this helps.
            SweatMachine
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            • #7
              pics from begining and end of diet

              my pics
              285lb 5'8" 23 weeks umti; warm up show then nine weels to the SE USA
              Last edited by SweatMachine; 10-27-2004, 06:24 PM.
              SweatMachine
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              • #8
                damn man

                so u say that with slin and IGF1r3 it intensifies the slins potency, this is sumthing i was not aware of, thanx for the fyi
                frk
                :iagree:
                i always agree with what i say

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                • #9
                  Im going to start an IGFR3 Thread with info I have horded over quite sometime now....Im glad to share with all
                  SweatMachine
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                  • #10
                    This is how I started my bulk phase last Novemeber

                    1500mg Cyp
                    240mg Tren
                    240mg Prop
                    600mg EQ
                    50mg AD50/day
                    .25mg Arimedex/day
                    40mcg IGF1 /day
                    SweatMachine
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                    • #11
                      Shit thats a ton of gear SweatMachine -

                      I think you could get away with 1/2 of that. But thats your call - I know i've done some high shit but found it didn't work any better. Anything over 1,500 mg Total i think is a waste -
                      Whatever your mind can conceive and believe, you can achieve!!!

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                      • #12
                        Like your cycle Sweat, tttt shoot I had better, as mine is very similar.What you say about IGF/insulin combo makes sense ...I will drop the slin while doing IGF...no point in screwing around with such a potentially hazardous combo.I will alternate the gh/Igf each month and then drop them along with the long esters, 4 weeks before the first show.Thanks for the info bro.Wish I had saved some things from the old board, when Igf first became easily available, LA and others wrote some interesting articles that would be good to reas again.

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                        • #13
                          the only thing I see is that at the end, you are using 700mg test, 700mg tren, and 700mg mast per week
                          That is a ton of extremely androgenic stuff
                          I'd watch the prostate and hair closely (masteron is basically a version of DHT)
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                          • #14
                            This was one of the heaviest cyclesIve done. Im not sure if I got more out of the higher doses or not This cycle will be a little tamer.
                            SweatMachine
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bigbrian58
                              Week 1-12
                              Test enan 1500 mg wk
                              Equi 600mg wk
                              slin 8u post workout
                              Week 9-12 add
                              IGF @ 50 mcg pd
                              GH 5iu pd
                              Week 13 - 16
                              Prop 100 mg ed
                              Tren 100 mg ed
                              winnie 50 mg ed
                              gh 5 iu ed
                              slin 8u post workout
                              Week 17 - 20
                              prop 100 mg ed
                              tren 100 mg ed
                              masteron 100 mg ed
                              winnie 100 mg ed
                              add halo's last 10 days, and what the crap, will add three days of drol right at the end and crank up the anti e's to compensate for and sudden bloat in may cause.

                              Many thanks for any input bro's - Brian
                              Jesus Christ dude!!
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