IGF availability, opinions, etc...

[Ken Skip Hill]

It appears that IGF is very much available again. I know it has remained in limited supply but lately it appears that it has even resurfaced locally here in Denver. I am wanting to go back to discussing whether or not it has worked for you and to what degree. I was talking with alot of guys last year before it disappeared and it was split about 60-40 as to guys who said it was great and guys that said they got nothing at all. There seems to be no middle ground at all - it either works very well or not at all.

I am interested in any and all feedback that you guys have as long as it is your experience and not your buddy's that he told you about. I want it from the horse's mouth only.

Skip

[JonnyO]

From all I've gathered I havent heard any negative feedback, everyone seemed to like the product. Especially for in between cycles. I will be giving it a go in December myself.

[ntrllftr]

I have been using IGF secretagogue for about a year now. I have experimented to see what results I have with it. I found that I recover one day faster when I take it.
Other than that NO physical performance really noticeable. I used to use the MHP brand
which is HGF and IGF-1. Now I use the Body Tech brand which Is only a GH and I see the same results and it is half the price and in pill form. FOR ME that is all it does.

[Dirkmoneyshot]

IGF did shit for me but give me annoying lumps. I think the money is better spent elsewhere.

[ncsports]

i used it in my bis and tris post workout.

people commented on the fullness of my arms during that time period.

i had incredible pumps in my arms no matter what i did.

recovery was better as well.

was it worth the $$? hard to say, i pd $100/mg and i felt great while on it. there are other things to spend $ on though that are cheaper (i.e. test)

[bigpapapump]

I used it twice. Both time I used 50mcg mon-fri for 4 weeks. I did them both during bulking cycles and I was on deca, dbol and test and was eating like a pig and I still dropped a few pounds without any cardio. I really leaned out, which was not what I was looking for, but I did look good. The pumps were awesome and strength did go up, but probably from the AAS. Even though it leaned me out, I still don’t trust it to try it during a contest prep I’m afraid with the restricted diet I will disappear. What I did notice is it really speeds up your metabolism. So if you are planning on taking it, you better double your protein.

[bigpapapump]

One more thing. I used it in my tri and bi's to test the theory of localized growth. While I was on the peaks were beautiful, but they went away about two to three weeks after I stop.

[Ken Skip Hill]

Even though it leaned me out, I still don’t trust it to try it during a contest prep I’m afraid with the restricted diet I will disappear. What I did notice is it really speeds up your metabolism. So if you are planning on taking it, you better double your protein.

If your poundages are up and your calories are through the roof and you are losing weight, there is literally no chance at all that you are losing muscle mass. I can appreciate that you are unsure of how the compound will work for you so you are wanting to keep it out of your prep but I don't see how it could have any negative affects at all.

Just my opinion - for what it's worth. I enjoy giving my opinion much more when I am not asked for it. LOL

There just seems to be as many guys saying it didn't do much of anything and others swearing by it. I have a local guy (friend) that called me the other day and raved about it. He even laughed and said that the cheap one he used with the hand written label worked better than the powder he bought for $400/mg and had to reconstitute. lol How is THAT for good news? Now, he is a freak and he responds well to GH, too.

Skip

[SweatMachine]

I used 50mcg PW for 4 weeks on 4 weeks off then on for 4 more weeks. With slin on the off weeks. I started at 255lbs and ended up at 285lbs. I have monsterous pumps , to the point of having to cut my workout short. I was very full, and took on a"3-D" look to my muscles.this is a common experience with IGF users. I tried 80mcg, it didnt give me any more than the 50mcg did. If I were going to suggest its use it would be for 40mcg PW ffor 5 weeks with heavy AAS and at the peak of ones cycle. I think every seasoned lifter should try this at least once, it was a very interesting experience. NEVER had I had pumps like that before. Did I make solid gains? Im not sure but Im starting my bulk phase this year at 250lbs and much leaner.

I give it a 9 on a 10 scale .
(Cypionate, AD50, and Tren are a 10.)

[bigbrian58]

Skip, used it three times over the past year or so.Quite incredible stuff for me, pumps were immediate and awesome.Did retain a little fluid when I used it cutting towards the show @ 80mcg qd.No noticeable strenghth gains, but extreme valscularity.It is interesting stuff that I would do again for the price as the effects were so noticeable ( see that it is now going for around $150 mg).The only problem was that for me the results were transient, as soon as I stopped they were gone ...no solid or permenant gains.May have been that I was in a low carb diet mode throughout these experiments - would be interesting to do as Wylde suggests and use with gh and insulin ...think this combo would kick butt for me, and will try it soon...yeah I know that 4 months ago I thought I could not get it together again to compete.Shoot, here I am back again!

Sweat, remember reading your posts at the time and the awesome results that you got.How were you splitting your gh/igf and slin during the day ?

I know that for some bro's the results were poor, however like gh, if you are someone who does responds to it - the results are kick ass and very different to anything else.

[Ken Skip Hill]

Brian, thanks for the feedback and it is good to hear that you are not getting out of the game. I look forward to seeing you around here, bro.

I still have that damned nerve pain, bro. I doubt it will ever go away.

Skip

[Kidrok (Hop)]

I've done it twice, 1st time while bulking 2nd while cutting. Used 40mcg 5 on 2 off for 4 weeks. I did like the feel and the "look" it gave the muscles, as sweaty said, almost a 3D appearance, must be from the fullness. Combined with cutting was unbeatable in the way that you never looked or felt flat and depleted as you frequently do on low carbs.
Would I do it again? Well, I'm not convinced that it's cost effective right now. If I compare $200 for that to $200 worth of test I think I'd get alot more gains from the test. But if the price ever comes down then yes it will be in the mix, especially during pre-contest.

[winnie]

Its my understanding speaking to "real' lab professionals is that that IGF is very fragile. When UG companies go to split up there bulk product for resale it can very easily get damaged in the process. It has to be done with the proper tools and the right environment in order for the active ingredients not to get damage. So that is my theory while many don't get results.

[ntrllftr]

Its my understanding speaking to "real' lab professionals is that that IGF is very fragile. When UG companies go to split up there bulk product for resale it can very easily get damaged in the process. It has to be done with the proper tools and the right environment in order for the active ingredients not to get damage. So that is my theory while many don't get results.

Do you think I am wasting my money on the commercial product?
It may be just a mental thing that I am recovering faster. I have heard that
GH and IGF is only useful if injected? Thanx in advance for your honest feedback.

[Kane]

I'll be adding it in a couple of weeks to my current stack of gh, test, deca, dbol. Never tried it before so I hope I'm one of the ones that does respond to it.