My experiment last year......

[Ken Skip Hill]

I do some shit that would make alot of guys cringe - not because it is gross or wrong but rather because it would seem like a waste of time to most. Thing is, I don't accept things that I read or hear that say that this works or that doesn't work when it comes to nutrition, training, etc.. I have to apply it to myself and make my own decision. Why? LOL Because more often that not, the information is inaccurate and assumption or both.

Here is one of my all time favorites:

You can't lose bodyfat while having fruit in your diet.

That is laughable. In theory, it isn't supposed to work. In REALITY, I have dieted on fruits as my ONLY carb source and gotten ripped to hell with more energy than I have ever experienced. I have had more clients than I care to count that have successfully used fruit as their carb source and lost large amounts of weight. This is only one example out of many, many others.

Most guys who have been around the boards for awhile know that I have always professed to be a "low dose kinda guy". Notice that you haven't heard me say this too much this last year - if at all. I decided last year that I would take last year's offseason and precontest and basically go balls out on dosing and see what the difference would be in the end. I won't get into my exact dosages but I will say that I more than doubled my offseason dosages and was probably 4 times over for my precontest dosages after tallying up all of the extra shit that I put in this year.

Without dragging this out for another 3 pages leading up to some anti-climactic answer, I will simply say that not only was there no obvious added benefit from the extra gear but that I am currently on only 1/5th of the gear I was last year in the offseason and I am growing so fast that it is insane. I am putting up numbers that I have never put up before and I am on 1/5th the gear. I want to be clear here and tell you that there was NO added benefit from the added gear - none, notta, nothing. How depressing is that? Yes, my condition for my show was better but that is because I threw out the numbers and decided to come in dialed instead of even thinking about weight. The gear had nothing to do with the better condition.

I was pretty shocked that I didn't have this huge size surge last year from all the gear. LOL How sad is that? I was buying into the "take more gear" stance and was disappointed when it didn't pan out. I knew better but I was still holding out hope. It just didn't happen.

I want to encourage you that when the gains seem to be slowing that you take a long hard look at your training, nutrition and recovery before you even consider throwing in more gear. I wasted alot of money last year with my little experiment and I potentially put myself in jeopardy to a greater degree. However, I am glad that I was able to do this so that I could see what, if any, impact the added gear would have on my physique. I guess what money I wasted last year I will certainly be saving this year.

Be smart and don't take what you hear as gospel. Experiment. Toy with things. Just because someone says it is so, doesn't mean SHIT.

Skip

[lionel]

Good good post.. i love it when the big players(dante, skip, etc) are free these days.. they write long grandfather stories so interesting you pee in your pants.. awesome insight to gettin' those slightly off track back on..!

[Kane]

great read.... You are so right. I know some guys that take in crazy amounts of gear over extended periods of time and they still look the same as they did before they increased their dosages.

[hardkor]

Great post Skip!

[Creator_11]

Good post bro,

[Ken Skip Hill]

Good good post.. i love it when the big players(dante, skip, etc) are free these days.. they write long grandfather stories so interesting you pee in your pants.. awesome insight to gettin' those slightly off track back on..!

Was it THAT good? LOL

I am just glad someone is reading what I post. : )

Skip

[Massive G]

I do some shit that would make alot of guys cringe - not because it is gross or wrong but rather because it would seem like a waste of time to most. Thing is, I don't accept things that I read or hear that say that this works or that doesn't work when it comes to nutrition, training, etc.. I have to apply it to myself and make my own decision. Why? LOL Because more often that not, the information is inaccurate and assumption or both.

Here is one of my all time favorites:

You can't lose bodyfat while having fruit in your diet.

That is laughable. In theory, it isn't supposed to work. In REALITY, I have dieted on fruits as my ONLY carb source and gotten ripped to hell with more energy than I have ever experienced. I have had more clients than I care to count that have successfully used fruit as their carb source and lost large amounts of weight. This is only one example out of many, many others.

Most guys who have been around the boards for awhile know that I have always professed to be a "low dose kinda guy". Notice that you haven't heard me say this too much this last year - if at all. I decided last year that I would take last year's offseason and precontest and basically go balls out on dosing and see what the difference would be in the end. I won't get into my exact dosages but I will say that I more than doubled my offseason dosages and was probably 4 times over for my precontest dosages after tallying up all of the extra shit that I put in this year.

Without dragging this out for another 3 pages leading up to some anti-climactic answer, I will simply say that not only was there no obvious added benefit from the extra gear but that I am currently on only 1/5th of the gear I was last year in the offseason and I am growing so fast that it is insane. I am putting up numbers that I have never put up before and I am on 1/5th the gear. I want to be clear here and tell you that there was NO added benefit from the added gear - none, notta, nothing. How depressing is that? Yes, my condition for my show was better but that is because I threw out the numbers and decided to come in dialed instead of even thinking about weight. The gear had nothing to do with the better condition.

I was pretty shocked that I didn't have this huge size surge last year from all the gear. LOL How sad is that? I was buying into the "take more gear" stance and was disappointed when it didn't pan out. I knew better but I was still holding out hope. It just didn't happen.

I want to encourage you that when the gains seem to be slowing that you take a long hard look at your training, nutrition and recovery before you even consider throwing in more gear. I wasted alot of money last year with my little experiment and I potentially put myself in jeopardy to a greater degree. However, I am glad that I was able to do this so that I could see what, if any, impact the added gear would have on my physique. I guess what money I wasted last year I will certainly be saving this year.

Be smart and don't take what you hear as gospel. Experiment. Toy with things. Just because someone says it is so, doesn't mean SHIT.

Skip

I personally like to see radical shit stuff that goes against the norm.
The fruit part is interesting as Phil Hernon has Tom Tognetti on that precontest for the AAU MR. A and Tom is shredded hard and vascular and has been for like the past 7 weeks. I avoid fruit like the plague just because of the traditional stigma so may have to look in to this further and traditionally my body does't like simple sugars.
But that is based on a few years of eating them if that and reading the same articles over and over again condeming fruit. I believe the metabolism changes over 10 years time with eating habits more muscle and altered training and lifestyle as my diet also evolves over that time too.

Great post on the gear. I have always felt through my experience in the past that there is a point in which-at doses the sides effects really seem to start and the benefits decrease-our cells can only accept so much, and the rest goes to be broken down and side effects are amplified causing undue stress on the target organs like liver kidneys and heart as well as zapping the HPTA.
Bigger cycles are harder to recover from.

Good post and responses.

[xRAJAx]

Great read Skip. I'm second guessing moving my dosages up for my next blast now. I'm just going to wait until I stop growing before moving any higher. I used to be one to belive that the dosages to some degree make a difference but you've experiement proved otherwise......my pocket, health, and butt cheek's will thank you.

R

[Ken Skip Hill]

Great read Skip. I'm second guessing moving my dosages up for my next blast now. I'm just going to wait until I stop growing before moving any higher. I used to be one to belive that the dosages to some degree make a difference but you've experiement proved otherwise......my pocket, health, and butt cheek's will thank you.

R

And that is what I thought, also. I mean, I figured that if I used X amount of gear last year, I would have to increase this year even if just a little bit. Now, this is only MY experience but the reason that I think alot of my experiences are worthy of posting is because I am incredibly anal and incredibly structured. I doubt many could touch me on this. I train within minutes of the same time everyday, I eat within minutes of the same time, I sleep and wake within minutes of the same time, my routine is pretty much the SAME every fucking day for weeks and months on end. When I do something or try something, I don't have the extra variables that almost everyone else does. Stress is pretty damned low almost all the time, I don't go out, I don't drink, I don't do outside sports, etc.. Now, that might be pretty boring to you guys but I find my life very rewarding as a boring family man but that is another thread entirely. lol

MG, where I am fortunate is that I figured this out instead of continuing to push the dosages higher. In my case, I am UNfortunate because I simply do not get visible or tangible sides from gear - no high blood pressure, no acne, no weird or even high reads for liver or kidney values, etc.. If I did, I might have caught this earlier and not wanted to go all that high. I am just pointing this out because I don't want anyone to think we are saying that if you don't have sides you are fine or "keep going".

Skip

[USMuscle9403]

Awesome post Skiperoo. The fruit thing is an interesting concept though. Not that I don't advocate fruit when cutting, just never thought to use it a main carb source ya know...

[The Munster]

These kinds of threads/posts are one of the many reasons I love to come here.

[JnJ23]

These kinds of threads/posts are one of the many reasons I love to come here.

agreed, this is by far the most informative straight up site i know. i learned more here in 1 month than i did on any other site for 1 year

[mark mcgwire]

Nice post Skip. I've always been a low dose guy as well. I've always used modest amounts of gear and don't increase them unless my body stops responding.

On the fruit subject, what types of fruits did you eat on your diet? I've also read all of the articles basically calling fruit the devil. I don't eat much fruit but usually eat banana's in the morning for the extra potassium to fight off muscle cramps. Is it safe to assume that you ate the fruit in the mornings and afternoons before workouts and nothing after?? I'm so carb sensitive (especially sugars) that I wouldn't dare to eat fruit after working out.

[Egill]

I have dieted on fruits as my ONLY carb source and gotten ripped to hell with more energy than I have ever experienced.

I think it's good to have a few fruits when dieting, I think it's becuase the fructose goes to the liver and the liver continues converting T4-T3 which keeps the metabolism up.

[eric89]

the fruit thing is very interesting