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  • Big AND Lean. How to??

    Maybe totally stupid question.
    But here goes.
    So, finally at damn near 34 years old I've realized my dreams of being 225 and lean probably are not in the cards for me. I train hard, eat Strict, and put my all in to it.
    But genetically I think a lean 225 is just not going to happen for me.
    Currently I go about 205lbs at roughly (educated guess) ball park of 13-14% bodyfat. Not disgustingly fat, but not quite lean
    This point in my life if I could be my weight currently at maybe 4% less body fat I'd be happy.
    Well as happy as I can get!
    Question is, what does it take? How do you gain, or maintain your weight while loosing bodyfat?
    I've read time and time again to do this you gotta get big, and be ok with being fat for a bit. Get up to like 230, then maybe you can diet down to a lean 210.
    I don't much care for that ideal, but is that truly how it's done?
    Or is there another way? ??

  • #2
    Can't; give up.
    Ph.D., Theoretical Physics '16
    kind of a douche

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    • #3
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      • #4
        Not giving up by any means.
        Just, I guess trying to set maybe a more realistic goal.
        Just wondering if it truly takes getting big and being ok with excess fat, to then diet and maybe be back to the same weight you started at but leaner and bigger.

        Or if you can truly do it without the added fat.

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        • #5
          Why don't you set some smaller goals and set more once you achieve them? Meaning, maybe lean down to 10% or so, then set the goal at keeping b/f about the same but get to 200....then set the goal at 205, and so on. For someone to put 25lbs of muscle on is a pretty big accomplishment, and not that easy. Make a 6 month goal and try to hit a certain number, or hit a certain "look"....if you get pretty lean and then gain 5lbs of muscle you might look just like you want to. Maybe not be so stuck on a number vs. being stuck on how you want to look....
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          • #6
            Thanks Steel for the ideal.
            That's great!
            Makes sense

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            • #7
              Fire-

              Time for a reality check. At your current weight/bf your carrying 30lbs of fat and your lean weight is 175lb-ish, meaning you could be pretty shredded at 185lbs. But nobidy diets and loses ONLY fat and retains 100% of thier muscle tissue.

              So you want lose fat and gain 25llbs of muscle?
              Also dropping 4% bf while it may improve your appearance is not going to make you "look like a bodybuilder"

              My advice: say f*ck it and get single digit bf SHREDDED. ..sure you may be 175lbs but you'll look awesome.in fact find a show and COMPETE.If your natty there are plenty of natty organizations. I promise you'll make more progress in 20 weeks than youve made in your whole time training
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              • #8
                Btw I have no clue about your height/muscular development but im basing this on the notion that while not "huge" you have some foundation, built some strength etc...
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                • #9
                  Truce

                  You're about right.
                  I competed few years back, and yep.
                  175, I'm pretty shredded.
                  But small at 5'11".

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                  • #10
                    I think this is one of the hard realities many natty body builders go through. The realization that you guys cant look like one of the guys in the mags we all grew up on unless you are genetically elite (which you will know within a year or two of training, it will be OBVIOUS), or are on drugs.

                    I think I can say fairly definitively that given your provided stats, you will never be a lean 225 if you dont go the enhanced route.

                    If you are 34 and have been training since you were 20 or something, you are very, very likely maxed out or damn near it.
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                    Last edited by Lonnie123; 09-18-2015, 11:08 PM. Reason: changed a word

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lonnie123 View Post
                      I think this is one of the hard realities many natty body builders go through. The realization that you guys cant look like one of the guys in the mags we all grew up on unless you are genetically elite (which you will know within a year or two of training, it will be OBVIOUS), or are on drugs.

                      I think I can say fairly definitively that given your provided stats, you will never be a lean 225 if you dont go the enhanced route.

                      If you are 34 and have been training since you were 20 or something, you are very, very likely maxed out or damn near it.

                      Thoughts exactly.
                      Which is why I'm rethinking my goals.
                      A lean 205ish is where I'd like to be now.
                      And i feel this may be attainable.
                      Just wondering which route is best in accomplishing my goal

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                      • #12
                        For what its worth, I have fairly terrible genetics (started wire thin and weak as a kitten, still fairly mediocre strength numbers wise and muscular body weight wise dispite being insanely dedicated and training hard as fuck for a decade+, if I stray from my diet even a little bit for a small length of time I get noticeable fatter) and can maintain a 4-pack 180-185, and when I get the urge to get lean I am respectably lean at 175, and stupid lean at 165. But it takes a herculean effort to get down to those weights. 100% commitment for 16-20 weeks, lots of cardio.

                        Anything above 190 for me is terrible in terms of fat:muscle gains, and anything over 200 for me is just sloppy, fat weight.

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                        • #13
                          That's the other thing. ...your age. 34 is by no means old but in my 20's I could get contest shredded in 12 weeks, at 40 my diet was right around 20 weeks.

                          The bright side is you will never know how much progress you can make with an optimum plan : ie 20 weeks of well thought out training, diet via a coach and intelligent supplementation....
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                          • #14
                            A little perspective again here (this just so happen to show up in my Facebook Fed today).The WNBF Universe/Natural Mania is today, here is the final line up:

                            https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...fe&oe=5668FA8C

                            So these are arguably the best naturals in the world, and while massively impressive just aren't anywhere near the level of the IFBB/NPC

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                            • #15
                              Lookup boston lloyd 13g cycle and copy that

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