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    hey everyone,
    right now im cutting trying to get a single digit bfp. now i want to cut out some extra calories from my meal replacement shakes(30g whey isolate/30g micellar casein) which i consumed 2 times a day. i got around 110g of protein from both. how much bcaas are needed to replace an equal amount of proteins ? dont find any numbers by searching. or is it even possible to "replace" these whole proteins with just bcaas?

    i really appreciate everyones advise on this. thank you !

  • #2
    You're not cutting calories this way. Aminos are 4 calories per gram the same as whole proteins. You're better off with the whole proteins.
    My intro thread: http://intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=49855

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    • #3
      thank you for your response.

      i dont want to replace bcaas gram by gram with the protein otherwise i would have to consume 110g of bcaas in one day : ) im asking for the amount of bcaas which triggers the protein synthesis equally to those 110g of protein and if this is even possible.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BRG View Post
        thank you for your response.

        i dont want to replace bcaas gram by gram with the protein otherwise i would have to consume 110g of bcaas in one day : ) im asking for the amount of bcaas which triggers the protein synthesis equally to those 110g of protein and if this is even possible.
        Ahh, I see. I wasn't "getting it".

        Leucine (as I'm sure you are aware) is the amino without which protein synthesis can not begin. So that's why i gets huge press. The most researched ratio I believe is 4:1:1, that's Leucine:Isoleucine:Valine. You will see ratio's as high as 12:1:1 in some BCAA formulas, BUT... some research suggests that too high of a ratio of Leucine to the others actually inhibits the uptake of Isoleucine and Valine.

        So... If you are trying to cut calories in your MRP's, but still trying to get a little more "bang" in your MRP shakes, maybe cut your total protein down to 15/15 or 20/20, and just add some BCAA's (5-10 grams) during or after your workout.

        Even there... I would probably recommend trying to cut calories elsewhere in your diet.
        My intro thread: http://intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=49855

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        • #5
          Ironaddict on his forum and his book discussed this. About 10g of bcaa/eaa replaces 30-40g of protein according to him.
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          • #6
            @MyTMouse
            this would also be an option, thank you

            @LG1
            any links? didnt found anything to exactly this topic or my question. thank you ,too !

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BRG View Post
              @MyTMouse

              this would also be an option, thank you



              @LG1

              any links? didnt found anything to exactly this topic or my question. thank you ,too !

              http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=24797
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              • #8
                You're going to lose the advantage of a "slow" protein like casein, if you're taking the before going to bed, by trying to substitute BCAA's.

                What else is in your MRPs other than protein?

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                • #9
                  Doesn't seem like there would be a clear black and white answer to this.

                  And if there was, would it matter much? Unless your protein intake was crazy high already I wouldn't cut out any protein while dieting. Instead, leave the protein the same and lower calories from carbs and fats, progressively.

                  Only thing I might change if you do keep the meal replacements is to switch from casein to a normal protein blend.

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                  • #10
                    thank you all !

                    cutting out fats and carbs isnt a option imo. here is my nutrition plan:

                    8am - 50g whey and 100g oats
                    11am - 300g steak with veggies
                    2pm - mrp shake (30g whey & 30g casein)
                    5pm - 1 can of tuna with 1 tsp olive oil
                    8pm - mrp shake
                    11pm - 200g steak with veggies

                    on training days:
                    directyl after workout 10g of bcaas(4:1:1) with 3-400ml grape juice, one after that 50g whey with 50-80g of oats

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                    • #11
                      It's easier to determine your diet if it's broken down into macros instead of food weight.

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