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    I wrote an article that went live about a week ago about regulating the industry to try to help fix the problem of everyone and their mother being a trainer or prep guy, etc.. I got a lot of responses from nice to shitty (as usual) about how it is sooo fucking stupid to regulate the industry.

    If govt regulation isn't the answer, how in the fuck do you propose we weed out the shitbags in the industry and keep any 18 year old kid from starting a prep business after he takes 5th in his first physique contest?

    Something has to be done so I would love to hear how you go about doing this. And saying to leave it alone is not the answer. Something has to be done.

    What say you?

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  • #2
    Well a requirement around certification, licensing, and insurance may help - but it would need to be enforced. Some states already have these requirements for individualized nutrition counseling, but many do not.

    http://www.nutritionadvocacy.org/laws-state
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    • #3
      Check this out... http://iafscertification.com/certifi...-bodybuilding/


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      2017 NPC New England Championships Classic Physique, Class C - 1st Place
      2017 NPC East Coast Cup Classic Physique, Tall Class - 1st Place & Overall
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      2013 NPC Europa Battle of Champions - 1st Place Novice Heavyweight, 2nd Place Open Light-Heavyweight


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      • #4
        In my country, Australia, they have approved personal training as a course in which, like university, the Government will pay upfront and then you pay the Gvt back when you are earning. We are now bombarded with adds on the TV and radio about becoming a personal trainer in 12 weeks - with no money up front.

        We have literally hundreds of people "graduating" as PT "experts" every week. They have stands at shopping centers offering free lessons etc.

        I get 18yr old kids that look like shit offering to train me.

        When I ask basic nutrition or training questions they have no idea what you are even talking about.

        You go to a gym and look on the wall at the staff pictures and their areas of training and the guy who is about 150lbs has "strength specialist" next to his name with some accreditation - Google won't find him at any power lifting meets but his facebook page will have plenty of shots of him doing a bicep pose selfie, then every other trainer is fat.......terrible.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by moco View Post
          Well a requirement around certification, licensing, and insurance may help - but it would need to be enforced. Some states already have these requirements for individualized nutrition counseling, but many do not.

          http://www.nutritionadvocacy.org/laws-state
          Agree with this.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by moco View Post
            Well a requirement around certification, licensing, and insurance may help - but it would need to be enforced. Some states already have these requirements for individualized nutrition counseling, but many do not.

            http://www.nutritionadvocacy.org/laws-state
            School isn't the answer for bodybuilding, obviously.

            Edit: Because a certificate and schooling doesn't keep someone from being a fucking moron. Felt I needed to clarify that.
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            • #7
              Gotta agree with SAHD as a fellow Aussie about the whole PT thing. And I'm one myself! The thing that got me when I studied for my cert 4 (in OZ, a cert 4 in personal training is a minimum requirement to get a job at a gym) was with the size of the workbook. It was pretty thick, but the nutritional component was such a tiny amount.

              Now with the emergence of social media, any ball bag with a six pack is classed as a fitness guru. A Former model has now turned fitness guru out here. With thousands of followers and running a million dollar business empire. She was busted recently for ripping of other people's recipes and packaging them as her own. And on a similar note, the emergence of the wellness coach is on the rise. With popular chefs now held up as nutrition gurus peddling their dogmatic approach to nutrition. To the point of making claims that their chosen diet style (in this case paleo) will help cure autsim. And just in the last few weeks, another so called health guru who claimed that she beat cancer by healthy eating and alternative therapies. Turns out that she never had cancer in the first place. Duping her followers as well as owing approximately $200k in charity donations. She even accepted an award for her work!

              So I don't think it stops at diet prep. I think it goes a hell of a lot broader than that. Where these so called experts can claim anything they like and their followers will do just that... Follow them blindly. So regulation needs to happen. Even though we have a registered fitness body here in Australia, it self regulated. So I think some sort of government body would need to be set up where fitness experts would need to register their credentials. I certainly think that Personal Training will evolve to include mandatory nutritional certification. Its just starting to happen with big fitness courses here now offering nutritional courses. Which is a good thing

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              • #8
                I think we need to educate consumers better. We can't stop what inexperienced trainers want to do with their business but we can educate the consumers better so they choose the right one . Ask questions - don't fall for their "look"! Look into their background! ask their peers not their clients !
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                • #9
                  This is a problem in every industry..

                  You don't think that people that make high quality oil filters aren't bitching about the dipshits making cheap oil filters and pretending they are high quality?

                  There are people duped daily especially in the fitness industry. Buy this tape, look like this guy. Take this supplement - get as jacked as Phil Heath. Etc etc.

                  There are shitty doctors that still have MD after their name, there are also fucking retarded lawyers that somehow graduated law school.

                  Certifications, regulation, etc aren't the answer because it doesn't do anything but make people jump through hoops.

                  The market is self regulating. Inform the consumer, tell them to inform their friends and make your marketing more about teaching the customer why you are better and what people should look for in an oil filter/supplement/prep coach.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by fade View Post
                    School isn't the answer for bodybuilding, obviously.

                    Edit: Because a certificate and schooling doesn't keep someone from being a fucking moron. Felt I needed to clarify that.
                    Absolutely agree, but it would create a greater barrier for entry. An enforced requirement around certification/licensing would require some degree of additional commitment, as opposed to being able to just start posting on [insert social media of choice] that you provide prep services. Of course there will still be morons, just hopefully less.

                    Professions like cosmetology require licensing, and there are certainly plenty of bad hair stylists, but not just anybody can open up shop.


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                    2013 NPC Europa Battle of Champions - 1st Place Novice Heavyweight, 2nd Place Open Light-Heavyweight


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                    • #11
                      I think it's the consumers responsibility. If they aren't going to look for credentials or references of past work (clients) then that's their problem I think. That may leave the problem of such a trainer pushing clients to use dangerous methods but some jackass can get his certification and still push those methods. Not sure how to fix that.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by moco View Post
                        Oh Jesus ....

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by moco View Post
                          Absolutely agree, but it would create a greater barrier for entry. An enforced requirement around certification/licensing would require some degree of additional commitment, as opposed to being able to just start posting on [insert social media of choice] that you provide prep services. Of course there will still be morons, just hopefully less.

                          Professions like cosmetology require licensing, and there are certainly plenty of bad hair stylists, but not just anybody can open up shop.
                          These are pretty much my thoughts on this, as well.

                          The idea of educating the consumer is probably paramount. However, I still say that SOMETHING needs to at least be the "base" not for knowledge even, but to simply make people spend money, time and know SOMETHING so that they at least have to invest SOMETHING before they can claim to prep people or diet people, etc.. I don't see this as proving what someone knows as much as deterring the bottom feeder dipshits because they don't want to pay the fees or take the time to test to show even the lowest level of competency.

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                          • #14
                            What about a approved trainer program where say an npc judge has to approve the trainer to use that as a credential. Then spread the word to only hire npc approved trainers.

                            Of course since its the npc there will be a fee for this.
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                            • #15
                              This is a few years ago but - A friend of mine, nice girl, knows nothing about training, is overweight and works in a bottle shop attached to a pub. She sells alcohol to people in the drive through.

                              One day she tells me she has joined a gym, is getting fit and is doing a personal training course. (12 weeks)

                              Even with a course what type of trainer could she ever become?

                              In Australia the courses can be as simple as a downloadable online learning product, do the online exam then do 20 hours at a gym with an affiliated gym and you are qualified.

                              Then you get the courses that are 1 or even 2 years long with 2 days a week at the campus and are expected to do 12 hrs at home.

                              If you want to regulate what style of course should be the basis?
                              "Be gentle in what you do, firm in how you do it."
                              Buck Brannaman.

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                              "Nothing is so powerful as an insight into human nature... what compulsions drive a man, what instincts dominate his action... if you know these things about a man you can touch him at the core of his being."
                              ~William Bernbach

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