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    There has to be SOMETHING out there about gut growth as people age - even outside of bodybuilding. Anyone have ANYTHING on visceral fat, stretching of the stomach and/or intestines, organs, intra-abdominal fluid rentention, etc.?? ANYTHING?

    Kwashiorkur (sp?) disease?

    I can't believe there is nothing so I am going to start looking.

    If you have anything, post it here.

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    I am looking as well... something of relevance is that low and decreasing levels of testosterone tend to be correlated with increase in visceral fat. As testosterone decreases as men age there is higher likelihood of developing visceral fat...

    According to the Mayo Clinic, "in some men fat cells in the arms and legs lose the ability to store fat, which causes any excess fat to go to the abdomen." http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...t/art-20045685
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    • #3
      I'm curious about this too, but also curious about gaining fat on the face. I was talking about this with some of my gym friends, who seem to feel that as they get older, even when they get real lean, their faces appear to hold more fat/ water than a few yrs ago.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mentalflex View Post
        I am looking as well... something of relevance is that low and decreasing levels of testosterone tend to be correlated with increase in visceral fat. As testosterone decreases as men age there is higher likelihood of developing visceral fat...

        According to the Mayo Clinic, "in some men fat cells in the arms and legs lose the ability to store fat, which causes any excess fat to go to the abdomen." http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...t/art-20045685
        I can see visceral fat as a big part of the problem but not from decreasing test levels - at least in my case because I have had high exogenous levels of test for years and still have had this issue. It could be related to estrogen because any time something says "decreasing levels of test" they might as well say "increasing levels of estrogen" but I have managed my estrogen levels well and have the blood work to prove it. Still, there is likely a connection but I feel strongly that there is more to it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Skinnyrunt View Post
          I'm curious about this too, but also curious about gaining fat on the face. I was talking about this with some of my gym friends, who seem to feel that as they get older, even when they get real lean, their faces appear to hold more fat/ water than a few yrs ago.

          I have noticed this with the face, as well. Weird thing is that some women actually go the OTHER way. My wife used to have a baby face - rounder, softer, etc.. These days no matter how much weight she might gain her face stays incredibly lean. The only thing I have seen (besides age) is that she started to use gh around the time that this started to happen but upon cessation of the gh after about a year or so, it never changed. I am not sure if it is a coincidence or if the gh is a major contributing factor.

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          • #6
            I'll dig into this later if folks are interested, but we know of these two things:

            Creeping obesity: after the age of about 25 (until the 50's or so - these stats have probably worsened in the past decade), the average American gains 1lb of body weight / year but loses a ½ lb of fat-free mass. This obviously is a worsening of body comp.

            Add to that the high prevalence of metabolic syndrome which is characterized by visceral adiposity and you've got "creeping gut growth."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by homonunculus View Post
              I'll dig into this later if folks are interested, but we know of these two things:

              Creeping obesity: after the age of about 25 (until the 50's or so - these stats have probably worsened in the past decade), the average American gains 1lb of body weight / year but loses a ½ lb of fat-free mass. This obviously is a worsening of body comp.

              Add to that the high prevalence of metabolic syndrome which is characterized by visceral adiposity and you've got "creeping gut growth."

              -S
              I can agree with the above but ... how does that pertain to someone like myself that stays very lean almost all of the time and doesn't have a problem with test levels or estrogen levels?
              I am not referring to the problem in mainstream society as much as I am in the bodybuilding community.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ken "Skip" Hill View Post
                I can see visceral fat as a big part of the problem but not from decreasing test levels - at least in my case because I have had high exogenous levels of test for years and still have had this issue. It could be related to estrogen because any time something says "decreasing levels of test" they might as well say "increasing levels of estrogen" but I have managed my estrogen levels well and have the blood work to prove it. Still, there is likely a connection but I feel strongly that there is more to it.



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                Very true... These studies are not taking into account those maintaining normal hormone profiles through the use of exogenous compounds. There is definitely a missing puzzle piece (for me at least) in understanding the increase in stomach size...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ken "Skip" Hill View Post
                  There has to be SOMETHING out there about gut growth as people age - even outside of bodybuilding. Anyone have ANYTHING on visceral fat, stretching of the stomach and/or intestines, organs, intra-abdominal fluid rentention, etc.?? ANYTHING?

                  Kwashiorkur (sp?) disease?

                  I can't believe there is nothing so I am going to start looking.

                  If you have anything, post it here.

                  Skip
                  Originally posted by Ken "Skip" Hill View Post
                  I can agree with the above but ... how does that pertain to someone like myself that stays very lean almost all of the time and doesn't have a problem with test levels or estrogen levels?
                  I am not referring to the problem in mainstream society as much as I am in the bodybuilding community.

                  Skip

                  LOL - Well, Jeez, make up your mind!!! LOL

                  Bodybuilders in your situation are an entirely different question, of course.

                  (I've got too many thoughts on this one and it's getting late. More ASAP.)



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                  • #10
                    I look forward to your perspective.

                    I am pretty curious about the Kwashiorkur question, though, because how a lack of protein can cause that rounded gut is something that intrigues me. Clearly, none of us are low on protein but I don't know how the lack of protein causes that distention.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ken "Skip" Hill View Post
                      I look forward to your perspective.

                      I am pretty curious about the Kwashiorkur question, though, because how a lack of protein can cause that rounded gut is something that intrigues me. Clearly, none of us are low on protein but I don't know how the lack of protein causes that distention.

                      Skip
                      Well, here's an answer on kwashiorkor:

                      Enlarged fatty liver and fluid retention in general, esp. involving lympathics (many are around the GI tract).

                      http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/6/3/298.full.pdf

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                      • #12
                        I will check this out later tonight when I get time. Thanks.

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                        • #13
                          Ken-

                          as we age do we lose the ability to process food efficiently? im not talking about a slower metabolim

                          I know alot of folks over 40 who seem to have all kinds of issue with digestion...crohns, IBS etc. I know i do from time to time and i can have a flat relatively lean midsection and 24 hours late have a distended abdomen (without haveing a full stomach!!)

                          also i think people tend to have alot more issues with inflammation
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