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    Be very careful about where you get your "cold hard facts" research about what does, and doesn't work in the world of size/strength training. Much research is very poorly conducted. Much is slanted towards achieving the researchers pet theories, and did I mention much is VERY POORLY conducted?

    Some use animals. And while our metabolisms are remarkably close to many other mammals, that is often where the similarities end and what proves true in a mouse may mean NOTHING in a man. A big factor in human studies is who the humans are that are being studied. In America we very often use college students with little or no previous training experience. Shit ANYTHING works well at that point. On the other end of the spectrum are those studies using elite level athletes. WOW! How many reading this are Olympic level, or elite caliber athletes with the best genetics supported USUALLY by performance enhancing drug use? Do these studies tell Joe average training clean what is likely to happen in his or her body? Or even Joe average doing gear? Not likely.

    I like studies and read a lot of them. If you are able to read discriminately and understand that what is true in the lab may or may not hold true in the real world with real people they can be of value. But if you get hung-up on their worth and hold dogmatic views because the "study says", well you are backing your self against the wall of unreason.

    Iron Addict
    www.ironaddicts.com

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    IA welcome to IM...
    "That damn log book"

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    • #3
      IA, This kind of reminds me of that prick, Bozo over at AM, he would study me to death, what about expereince in the damn gym and seeing what works on trainees, god he drove me crazy...
      "That damn log book"

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      • #4
        hey IA, it's nice to finally see you over here. i totally agree with you on the studies. just because a rat gets huge on x supplement doesn't mean it will work the same on Joe Schmoe. hell, it might even give him a heart attack. i try to stay away from most supplements other than the proven one's(ie. protein,vitamins) but i do enjoy reading things. you just have to learn to read around what the company wants you to beleive
        My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable. I'm unna eat your style, i'm unna eat your style's kids.

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        • #5
          Great to see you here IA,..... good post.
          each day is an opportunity to move you closer to your goals.

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          • #6
            Im a 21 year long science project still seeking answers.... What you say is sooo true Bro
            SweatMachine
            (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen)

            That which we manifest lies before us.

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            • #7
              welcome and great post
              Stay Hard and Get Huge !


              Whatever you can do or dream you can do, begin it. Boldness has genius , power and magic in it. Begin it now. - Goethe

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              • #8
                Thanks for the welcome guys. I plan on making it one of my daily "board stops". Looks great over here!

                Iron Addict
                www.ironaddicts.com

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                • #9
                  What about horses-what works for them is gonna work for me no?LOL-Can you tell I love my EQ,oats and any leather tack!!
                  Livin' for the pump

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                  • #10
                    Well I'm a cow kinda guy. Gotta love that tren.

                    Iron Addict
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                    • #11
                      Science scmience.........real world experience in the gym and at the table is a lot more valid and important to me.

                      Science is why you have 150 pound guy`s on bodynuilding.com telling Bob Chicerello that he doesn`t know how to train or eat according to their studies.

                      Good post IA !!
                      The Phoenix Rising

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                      • #12
                        Oh yeah ski. I remember once bout this asslong thread where almost everyone was against bob chick on doing slow cardio.
                        Consistency is the key





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                        • #13
                          I post over there sometimes and I usually just let the post be when I'm done and let the wise and the idiots play it out-lol. But there sure are a lot more idiots there than the wise. There are 16 year old kids (by their avatar or signature) with 7k post counts dispensing advice--WOW!

                          Iron Addict
                          www.ironaddicts.com

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                          • #14
                            Experience is the best teacher. Supplement companies have so many at a disadvantage too. How are we to know necessarily? It's frustrating.
                            International Elite Raw Powerlifter
                            Blood - Sweat - Chalk

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by iron addict
                              Well I'm a cow kinda guy. Gotta love that tren.

                              Iron Addict

                              MOO
                              Livin' for the pump

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