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    I came across this article yesterday and found it extremely interesting. The conclusion is that protein synthesis is maximized at .82g/lb, this is given with a double 95% confidence level. Thoughts?
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    I cant say this is interesting at all. Unless you are extremely anal about counting calories or something to that effect, I wouldn't waste my time calculating .82g vs 1g per pound

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    • #3
      Serious question/rant (and this isn't really directed at you Be Prime, I just see this question all over the place, its directed at people who always want to get the minimum amount of something, like protein):

      Why is everyone always asking "what's the minimum amount of protein necessary?" Do you really hate protein that much? Chances are, if you're this concerned about it, you're planning to be in a calorie surplus, so why not make sure you have enough, then throw a little more on top?

      Maybe 400g isn't any better than 300g, and sure, it is a little more expensive to get those extra 400 calories from protein than say, carbs, but why aim for the minimum necessary? Lets say you have "too much" protein (above the maximum amount that can be synthesized into new muscle tissue/day), the worst outcome is that you wasted protein. But if you have "too little," you are going to be "spinning your wheels" to an extent. So why would you ever try to just get the minimum amount?

      I mean I get that people want to use the minimum training hours to get the results they want because it takes time, but attempting to get the minimum amount of protein baffles me. Realistically, if you're always trying to do the minimum to get by, do you really think you'll get optimal results? You stand to lose more hoping that you got enough protein than if you know you got enough and bordered on too much.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by youngbb View Post
        Serious question/rant (and this isn't really directed at you Be Prime, I just see this question all over the place, its directed at people who always want to get the minimum amount of something, like protein):

        Why is everyone always asking "what's the minimum amount of protein necessary?" Do you really hate protein that much? Chances are, if you're this concerned about it, you're planning to be in a calorie surplus, so why not make sure you have enough, then throw a little more on top?

        Maybe 400g isn't any better than 300g, and sure, it is a little more expensive to get those extra 400 calories from protein than say, carbs, but why aim for the minimum necessary? Lets say you have "too much" protein (above the maximum amount that can be synthesized into new muscle tissue/day), the worst outcome is that you wasted protein. But if you have "too little," you are going to be "spinning your wheels" to an extent. So why would you ever try to just get the minimum amount?

        I mean I get that people want to use the minimum training hours to get the results they want because it takes time, but attempting to get the minimum amount of protein baffles me. Realistically, if you're always trying to do the minimum to get by, do you really think you'll get optimal results? You stand to lose more hoping that you got enough protein than if you know you got enough and bordered on too much.
        For me it's just peace of mind. I was aiming for 400 per day and after all is said and done I would reach that half the time. The other half I was probably at 300. Reading this, and assuming it's all valid, puts my mind at ease; I didn't waste my time during those stints of just eating 300.

        Since I'm around 200 lbs. I'll shoot for 300 protein, allowing more room for much more delicious, orgasmic carbs, and if I manage to only get 200 then fine by me :peace:
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        • #5
          Originally posted by youngbb View Post
          Serious question/rant (and this isn't really directed at you Be Prime, I just see this question all over the place, its directed at people who always want to get the minimum amount of something, like protein):

          Why is everyone always asking "what's the minimum amount of protein necessary?" Do you really hate protein that much? Chances are, if you're this concerned about it, you're planning to be in a calorie surplus, so why not make sure you have enough, then throw a little more on top?

          Maybe 400g isn't any better than 300g, and sure, it is a little more expensive to get those extra 400 calories from protein than say, carbs, but why aim for the minimum necessary? Lets say you have "too much" protein (above the maximum amount that can be synthesized into new muscle tissue/day), the worst outcome is that you wasted protein. But if you have "too little," you are going to be "spinning your wheels" to an extent. So why would you ever try to just get the minimum amount?

          I mean I get that people want to use the minimum training hours to get the results they want because it takes time, but attempting to get the minimum amount of protein baffles me. Realistically, if you're always trying to do the minimum to get by, do you really think you'll get optimal results? You stand to lose more hoping that you got enough protein than if you know you got enough and bordered on too much.
          I think it is because quality protein sources are the most expensive of the macronutrients.

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          • #6
            ^ I agree. Buying a metric shit ton of protein on a college budget is pretty brutal...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by theroymccoy View Post
              For me it's just peace of mind. I was aiming for 400 per day and after all is said and done I would reach that half the time. The other half I was probably at 300. Reading this, and assuming it's all valid, puts my mind at ease; I didn't waste my time during those stints of just eating 300.

              Since I'm around 200 lbs. I'll shoot for 300 protein, allowing more room for much more delicious, orgasmic carbs, and if I manage to only get 200 then fine by me :peace:
              Fair enough, I just polished off a whole pie, so I see your point about carbs
              I guess I'm too anal about getting enough protein lol.
              Originally posted by Rocky101 View Post
              I think it is because quality protein sources are the most expensive of the macronutrients.
              Originally posted by Barbatron View Post
              ^ I agree. Buying a metric shit ton of protein on a college budget is pretty brutal...
              I can agree with that.

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              • #8
                My wife just told me i cant eat all the eggs anymore because there is never any left for her and the kids. She should be glad to hear this bit of news. However I'm still eating all the eggs and chicken in the house.

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                • #9
                  I went from [email protected] 8% BF to [email protected] 10-12% BF

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                  • #10
                    I have found out that one can start with whole meals first then later on add shakes
                    meal-1 4whole eggs + 8 egg whites (largest carb meal)
                    meal-2 250 grams of chicken + 20ml EVOO
                    meal-3 250 grams of chicken + (Moderate carb meal)
                    meal-4 50 grams of whey + (50 grams of vitargo CGL 2nd largest carb meal)
                    meal-5 250 grams of chicken + 20ml EVOO
                    meal-6 250 grams of red meat + 20 ml EVOO..............1st 8 weeks
                    meal-7 50 grams of whey + 2tbs peanut butter...........2nd 8 weeks
                    meal-8 50 grams of whey + 40 grams of malto dextrin...3rd 8 weeks
                    meal-9 50 grams of whey + 2tbs peanut butter...........4th 8 weeks
                    meal-10 50 gram of whey + 2tbs peanut butter...........5th 8 week

                    I don`t think that the protien requirement remains the same because as the muscle grows your protien requirement will increase, secondly body with its various negative feed back loop mechanism will resist muscle growth, so to counter it we have to bump up our protien and other macronutrients intake and for the successful utilization of nutrients for muscle repair you need adequate "super supplementation".

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                    • #11
                      Scott,

                      What about the extra load on the Liver processing the surplus protein. Is that a concern?
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                      • #12
                        how much is needed for what purpose? I'd say that a lot of the time, paper and practice are, not necessarily at odds but, dont match.

                        That said, if you dont enjoy eating protein(meat, shakes, dairy, etc.) then this might be a question to concern yourself with. Otherwise, just eat and, eat adequate amounts in everything you consume.. No progress and you're getting enough other macros for workouts to be extremely intense? eat more

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                        • #13
                          If I was building a house I'd rather have too many bricks and some left over than not enough and only get half way done.

                          Why is everything about the minimums these days... minimum you need to eat, minimum time in the gym, minimum amount of work... And it's like that outside the gym. Everyone wants to make huge money and be successful but no one wants to put in the time and work to get there. Then complains when they don't.

                          If a C is all you need in a class is that all you shoot for or do you try your best to get an A and not be too hard on yourself if you end up with a B?

                          Not directed at OP but society in general.
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                          • #14
                            ^^^^ agreed

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Adam2433 View Post
                              If I was building a house I'd rather have too many bricks and some left over than not enough and only get half way done.

                              Why is everything about the minimums these days... minimum you need to eat, minimum time in the gym, minimum amount of work... And it's like that outside the gym. Everyone wants to make huge money and be successful but no one wants to put in the time and work to get there. Then complains when they don't.

                              If a C is all you need in a class is that all you shoot for or do you try your best to get an A and not be too hard on yourself if you end up with a B?

                              Not directed at OP but society in general.
                              I was borderline posting something like this, but never got around to it. Every day we hear people complaining because they do the minimum and don't get the results they need or want. Just because they go to the gym, or drink their protein, instead of actually worrying about WHAT they do in the gym, or the quality of their protein.

                              There's also a line that has to be drawn when it comes to being so anal about things.
                              …Time is so precious….and you need to ask yourself, what are you going to do today but more importantly, you need to ask yourself – how are you going to do it?

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