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    I am cutting and have heard and read how you should eat either a meal with protein and fat, or protein and carbs, and you shouldn't mix carbs and fats...

    Is this going to make much difference to my cut?
    At the mo my diet is pretty easy even tho I eat very clean. I fry chicken breast in EVOO so my meals do taste pretty damn good.
    Am I sacrificing results to a noticeable degree?

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  • #2
    I've done both. I get better results mixing carbs and fats. You will be fine, just get your daily macros correct
    Now shut the fuck up, quit asking questions and let this thread die before Sammich or Heckman has an aneurysm and murders you.

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    • #3
      James, in your P/F meals how many grams of carbs are you including and for you P/C meals how many grams of fat are you adding?

      If the amount is small, it will likely be insignificant and have no impact. For example, one of my P/F meals is a shake with organic PB or almonds, however I do not count the carbs from the PB (or almonds) towards my macros since they are trivial at this stage in the game (not yet in prep diet mode).

      Based on your example, just using enough EVOO to pan fry some chicken would likely result in a trivial amount of fat and not detract from your overall goal if that was part of a P/C meal.

      Even in some of my P/C meals, fat is included, however it does not make up a large component of the meal. Perhaps about 10% or less of the total kcals of the meal. But in my P/F meals, carbs are not added and any carbs that are present are part negligible. Once in a while I may throw in some veggies with a P/F meal (Tuna with hard boiled eggs some salsa, Greek yogurt, siracha and some chopped veggies) but the total carb content is still very low and they are mainly fibrous carbs.

      Eating like this I noticed that I have been able to add weight while staying leaner. IMO, (if you are going to use this approach, since there is more than one way to skin a cat) I feel that timing carbs and cycling your macros (adhering as closely as possible to minimizing carbs in P/F meals and fats in P/C meals) based on your training schedule allows one to really get the most out this style of dieting.
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      • #4
        it's not that big of a deal as long as the macro's are the same at the end of the day. usually if you start mixing them they wont be the same though.
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        • #5
          http://alanaragon.com/carbs-fat-friends-after-all.html
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          • #6
            OK, but what happens when you add training to the mix, both weights and cardio? I am speaking for an anecdotal perspective based on experience. Since I have been following the approach I noted, my results have been significantly better. But like I said, there is more than one way to skin a cat and if you find out certain food combinations work really good, and they are a litte non-traditional, then go for it.

            I also like the P/F, P/C approach because it keeps things simple. Less ingredients per meal and easier to look at where you might be missing out on something or be able to take things down.
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            • #7
              experience is always the "key" when it comes to these things just out of curiosity with you separating your carbs and fats, was your overall calories kept the same or lowered as a result of seperation?

              i still have pro/carb, pro/fat and pro/fat/carb meals in my diet, i believe seperation has its place but 50% of my daily meals are pro/fat/carb
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              • #8
                Originally posted by stealthy21 View Post
                experience is always the "key" when it comes to these things just out of curiosity with you separating your carbs and fats, was your overall calories kept the same or lowered as a result of seperation?

                i still have pro/carb, pro/fat and pro/fat/carb meals in my diet, i believe seperation has its place but 50% of my daily meals are pro/fat/carb
                My diet is set up such that I have high days and low days, things vary based on whether I am doing my weight training or cardio. It is quite elegant and I like it
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                • #9
                  I'm no expert or anything, but this year I have not made it a point to separate p+c/p+f...I just eat it all together. I also count every macro, in every food toward my totals. So the p/f/c in peanuts, broccolli, etc.. Like Mental said, more than 1 way to skin a cat. Just find what works for you and STICK to that plan.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by breck View Post
                    I'm no expert or anything, but this year I have not made it a point to separate p+c/p+f...I just eat it all together. I also count every macro, in every food toward my totals. So the p/f/c in peanuts, broccolli, etc.. Like Mental said, more than 1 way to skin a cat. Just find what works for you and STICK to that plan.
                    Breck, LMAO! I was just going to reference your thread and say, here, just because I like it my way, doesn't mean there are other effective ways....

                    I found this article and just found it overall to be an interesting read: http://www.biomedcentral.com/content...2783-3-1-7.pdf

                    I found some interesting information in it, one thing in particular to this discussion is that when combining carbohydrates and protein there is both an increase in protein synthesis and decrease in protein degradation. From the article, it appears that leucine intake (from protein) enhances insulin secretion and independently increases protein synthesis, and according to the support provided in the journal, insulin enhances protein balance through hindering protein degradation.

                    Just some food for though
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                    • #11
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                      • #12
                        I keep mine apart only out of convenience and to enjoy my meals more

                        nothing is worse than having a protein/veggie meal with no carbs or fats because you put your carbs and fats together in the previous meal

                        personally I like 3 meals with carbs (meal 1, pre, post) and 3 meals with fats
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bhman6 View Post
                          I keep mine apart only out of convenience and to enjoy my meals more

                          nothing is worse than having a protein/veggie meal with no carbs or fats because you put your carbs and fats together in the previous meal

                          personally I like 3 meals with carbs (meal 1, pre, post) and 3 meals with fats
                          same setup as me but im doing 7 meals so 3 pro/carb 4 pro/fat
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by youngbb View Post
                            I've done both. I get better results mixing carbs and fats. You will be fine, just get your daily macros correct
                            Now shut the fuck up, quit asking questions and let this thread die before Sammich or Heckman has an aneurysm and murders you.
                            Every post I've seen of yours is blatantly rude. You can word that so you don't come across as a complete douche-bag. Let the moderators do what they will, they definitely don't need you speaking for them.

                            And personally I prefer keeping meals P/C and P/F for simplicity. I've been doing that for about a year now, even while bulking and have had very good results.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by liftweights View Post
                              Every post I've seen of yours is blatantly rude. You can word that so you don't come across as a complete douche-bag. Let the moderators do what they will, they definitely don't need you speaking for them.

                              And personally I prefer keeping meals P/C and P/F for simplicity. I've been doing that for about a year now, even while bulking and have had very good results.
                              Calm down bro... if you haven't seen OPs post history, its pretty much every OCD question that comes to mind. I don't see anything wrong with youngbb's post tbh.

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