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    I recently bought Sean Croxton's The Dark Side of Fat Loss and have to say, I feel like a total tool. I have heard this myth for so many years now I assumed it must be true. Check out this video where he sums it up, but I would really suggest that anyone who really wants to have a clear view of fat loss for themself/clients should get ahold of this book.

    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djGCQ9b7mHo[/YOUTUBE]
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  • #2
    I dnt think she makes much sense.

    Surely no1 thinks that cutting 500 cals per day under maintanance will continue to produce a 1lb a week weight loss continually ??

    This is why there is a constant need for adjustments to a diet and/or cardio plan as a diet progresses
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    • #3
      that's what every trainer at just about every commercial gym in the country will tell you. It feeds into the whole calories in/calories out is all that matters mindset.

      When I worked at a Gold's that was part of the PT manager's sales pitch/consultation.
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      • #4
        From what I gathered, she seems to just be taking advantage of some wording.

        No shit reducing your intake by 500 will not produce 1lb of fat loss per week. The human body is not cut and dry. Nothing is black and white.

        To me, it's just someone else trying to make some scratch off of the obesity problem.

        I have never once heard from anyone that has any kind of education in the field that believes that "myth" to be true anyway. I always laugh at things like this, because it's usaully:

        A: Someone selling the "I have a secret of fat loss" thing, which is usually common knowledge to anyone with a good education or experience in this.

        B. "I'm busting myth X" which usually, to me, isn't even a myth I ever even considered to be remotely true.



        Silly. She's selling books, period.

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        • #5
          That was part of the pitch where I worked as well....the problem is that the public is so naive when it comes to fitness, and most people are just desperate to lose weight. They want the weight off quickly, with as little strictness or effort as possible....I see people in the gym that I used to train who look the exact same they did a year ago, and some are working their asses off. The commercial type gym doesn't address nutrition well enough with their training clients. That's just another avenue of sales for them, which is I guess, how they stay in business......
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          • #6
            http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...-equation.html

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            • #7
              Just this morning I overheard two co-workers talking about thier New Year Resolutions. One of them said he was cutting soda from his diet and he was "guaranteed" to lose a minimum of 20 lbs in 3 months.

              Why is it that people will try all the short cuts, but won't do what we all know works.
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              • #8
                Lol. This lady thinks she discovered America. Yeah, I know that there are plenty of people pushing this theory(I believed it at one time), but anyone with common sense should realize that it's not how it works.

                The way a lot of trainers like to work their numbers out is by first using one of those ridiculous formulas to calculate maintenance caloric intake and then subtract 500 from that. Well, from the get-go, a person should be asking why should he trust that this trainer's equation for maintenance works for him/her. Everyone has different body composition and metabolic rates, how can this equation tell me something about myself if it's used the same way for others who are nothing like me? And this type of work is done in the rare case where a personal trainer actually deals with the nutritional aspect of his client.

                A huge portion of the training and nutritional industry is bogus.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by steel1970 View Post
                  That was part of the pitch where I worked as well....the problem is that the public is so naive when it comes to fitness, and most people are just desperate to lose weight. They want the weight off quickly, with as little strictness or effort as possible....I see people in the gym that I used to train who look the exact same they did a year ago, and some are working their asses off. The commercial type gym doesn't address nutrition well enough with their training clients. That's just another avenue of sales for them, which is I guess, how they stay in business......
                  That was part of their pitch, Steel? To get clients? That's like selling snake oil to me. Unfortunate. But, some common sense is needed from clients. If they are taking advice from trainers who don't look the part, maybe that should be a tip off. Or if the advice given seems too good to be true. I am upfront with people who seek advice: changing your body is not easy- hard work is a requirement for those who seek big transformations. You didn't gain 75lbs from your High School yearbook photo in one year, you're probably not going to look like you did in a year either. No one wants to hear that though, you're right.

                  I am not going to read that entire article. If you did, could you give some cliffs?

                  Originally posted by dakoose View Post

                  A huge portion of the training and nutritional industry is bogus.
                  I think huge is an understatement.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lock it Up View Post

                    I am not going to read that entire article. If you did, could you give some cliffs?
                    I read it a while ago but here are some key points quoted:

                    Summing Up

                    I think when you read articles decrying the energy balance equation as invalid or incorrect, you’ll find that they ignore (or simply are unaware) of all of the above. The equation is perfectly valid and humans are as subject to the laws of thermodynamics as anything else in the universe. Physics is not just a good idea, kids, it’s the law.

                    Most claims that the energy balance equation is invalid are due to people simply not knowing what they are talking about. The equation is valid, it has to be, what’s invalid are people’s assumptions about how things should work.
                    And the more complex formula:

                    Energy In (corrected for digestion) = (BMR/RMR + TEF + TEA + SPA/NEAT) + Change in Body Stores
                    Another key point:

                    People have this weird tendency to assume that if their maintenance caloric intake is exactly 2500 calories (at calorie balance); therefore if they start eating 2000 calories (or increase activity to burn 500 calories/day) they should lose exactly 1 pound of fat per week. Or that that 2,500 calorie/day maintenance will not change.

                    Ignoring the water balance and muscle vs. fat thing, this is still incorrect and here’s why: the equation isn’t static. It changes. Sometimes considerably. And this makes predicted and actual changes in body mass different.

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                    • #11
                      How many calories are in a turd? Because I can't calulate my calories in vs calories out without knowing this part of the equation

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jstreet0204 View Post
                        How many calories are in a turd? Because I can't calulate my calories in vs calories out without knowing this part of the equation
                        This is part of the calories out portion, yes?
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                        • #13
                          Quadriceps- Thanks for posting the article, I just finished it.

                          I would have a few questions for the author though. The first would be regarding his formula for finding fat. As he states 80-95% of white adipose is actually lipid, this is a HUGE margin. If his formula (same formula used as an example in the video) is correct, then the total calories/lb could range from about 3200 to 3900. Thus 3500 is not at all a fact, it is a hypothesized median.

                          My second comment would be that there is a potential flaw in his beliefs regarding the law of thermodynamics in the body. The law that he is applying is only true for closed systems. Thus this would only apply if the body did not exhale, excrete, sweat etc. The law of thermodynamics for an open system is more complicated.

                          I do, however, agree with the author on the majority of points. The reason I posted this video is because the common flase belief -3500 calories through exercise or less food=-1lb. With this the author agrees.
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                          • #14
                            The 3500 calorie "myth" is just a benchmark for people to understand that they need to eat below maintenance to lose body weight. Surely people don't take things like this literally? The body doesn't buck the physics of thermodynamics. Your maintenance calories might change as your body changes how it metabolizes based on the stress of a diet, but it is still simply calories in calories out. A person just needs to understand that they might need to adjust their calories if that baseline shifts.

                            As far as whether a person is concerned about what tissue is being lost, then they should hire somebody with experience (like Skip! ) to help them eat the right macros.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lock it Up View Post
                              I am not going to read that entire article. If you did, could you give some cliffs?
                              That's how I feel about some of your posts. lol (I had to.....)
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