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    hey bros i have a quick question bout daa?

    so after lotta reading pros/cons about daa and patrick arnold mentions and others i decided to use it alone for my pct despite peeps saying its neurotoxic (for this reason i plan on using it only for 30 days as a pct thing)

    it says to take 4am/pm total of 8 pills for 30 days?

    is that how i should take it or like others 12 days on 12 days off etc till finished? do i need to taper down or can i stop cold turkey?

    also i am taking only 2 and 2 right now and slowly working my way up to 4 and 4 to make sure i assess my tolerance and erroring on the safe side, i tend to get anxiety so i am not trying to think about it and staying positive and hoping that this will be a positive experience for me. i have l-theanine for anxiety so should be ok.

    i also have nolvadex on hand for gyno but don't think i will need to use it.

    after this i will wait 2- 4 weeks and get blood work done.

    thx appreciate it

  • #2
    I hadn't heard anything about neurotoxicity- have you got a link to something I could read?

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    • #3
      Homon wrote a good article on DAA, touches on neurotoxicity issue if I recall correctly. Here is what he say's in part:

      "...DAA’s actions are mediated partially via conversion to N-Methyl D-Aspartic Acid (NMDA, Figure 1), a well-known excitotoxin (a compound that can literally excite neurons to death) [4]. Hopefully, because the body controls this conversion process, DAA supplementation doesn’t carry a risk of nerve-cell death [19]. We still know little about female endocrine responses to DAA, or how it might affect the developing nervous system of a pre-pubescent or adolescent athlete, so let’s also hope that warning labels are heeded in this regard."

      Here is the full article:

      http://www.musclemag.com/Nutrition-a...rtic-Acid.aspx

      There was also another thread here that talked about it, including how well it worked or didn't with people who used it here. I'm sure you can find that thread if you looked...

      Good Luck

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      • #4
        I have used 3 bottles of it at separate times and the 3 times I had itchy nipples after about 3-4 weeks. DAA messes with more then just Test, also affects prolactin, gh, estrogen... I wouldn't recommend it.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Michael Travis View Post
          Homon wrote a good article on DAA, touches on neurotoxicity issue if I recall correctly. Here is what he say's in part:

          "...DAA’s actions are mediated partially via conversion to N-Methyl D-Aspartic Acid (NMDA, Figure 1), a well-known excitotoxin (a compound that can literally excite neurons to death) [4]. Hopefully, because the body controls this conversion process, DAA supplementation doesn’t carry a risk of nerve-cell death [19]. We still know little about female endocrine responses to DAA, or how it might affect the developing nervous system of a pre-pubescent or adolescent athlete, so let’s also hope that warning labels are heeded in this regard."

          Here is the full article:

          http://www.musclemag.com/Nutrition-a...rtic-Acid.aspx

          There was also another thread here that talked about it, including how well it worked or didn't with people who used it here. I'm sure you can find that thread if you looked...

          Good Luck

          MT
          Gotta say MT, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters on IM.

          Informative, well formatted posts, do your research, courteous....great posts as of late man.




          Andre, have you ever had bloodwork done? I felt like MG's booster was simply remarkable. I never felt any sides estrogenic, prolactin or otherwise. For me, it was noticeable in the libido department...crazy sex drive. I used the booster for 12 weeks straight at the given dose and felt no ill effects, only positive. Perhaps you are sensitive? Can you speak on that? Don't want to pry or anything.

          I just know for me personally, I was getting my bloodwork done pretty regulular for a few years (once ever 4-5 months) and while on DAA my test was on the high normal range and all other values were in check..aside from IGF-1, which was off the charts, but it has always been for me.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lock it Up View Post
            Gotta say MT, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters on IM.

            Informative, well formatted posts, do your research, courteous....great posts as of late man.
            Thank you very much Lock, really. Coming from a long time well-respected member such as yourself, means a great deal. I appreciate that.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lock it Up View Post
              Gotta say MT, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters on IM.

              Informative, well formatted posts, do your research, courteous....great posts as of late man.




              Andre, have you ever had bloodwork done? I felt like MG's booster was simply remarkable. I never felt any sides estrogenic, prolactin or otherwise. For me, it was noticeable in the libido department...crazy sex drive. I used the booster for 12 weeks straight at the given dose and felt no ill effects, only positive. Perhaps you are sensitive? Can you speak on that? Don't want to pry or anything.

              I just know for me personally, I was getting my bloodwork done pretty regulular for a few years (once ever 4-5 months) and while on DAA my test was on the high normal range and all other values were in check..aside from IGF-1, which was off the charts, but it has always been for me.
              Thank you for posting this. lab results are always a plus and glad to hear your test levels were higher range on daa
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lock it Up View Post
                Andre, have you ever had bloodwork done? I felt like MG's booster was simply remarkable. I never felt any sides estrogenic, prolactin or otherwise. For me, it was noticeable in the libido department...crazy sex drive. I used the booster for 12 weeks straight at the given dose and felt no ill effects, only positive. Perhaps you are sensitive? Can you speak on that? Don't want to pry or anything.

                I just know for me personally, I was getting my bloodwork done pretty regulular for a few years (once ever 4-5 months) and while on DAA my test was on the high normal range and all other values were in check..aside from IGF-1, which was off the charts, but it has always been for me.
                I got gyno symptoms as well from DAA. It has been shown to increase prolactin and progesterone 2.5-3 fold.

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                • #9
                  I used MG's Super test boost for the last 6 weeks of my previous blast and had great results with it. Big time libido boost and I noticed a slightly higher level of agression, not like I wanted to cause any harm, but what I would consider controllable positive agression, dare I say, swagger? lol My stength increased at a higher rate and my bodyfat levels dropped slightly when using it despite gaining weight. The only negative for me was that my skin tended be a little more oily and I got a few pimples from it, but other than that, everything was great.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mentalflex View Post
                    I used MG's Super test boost for the last 6 weeks of my previous blast and had great results with it. Big time libido boost and I noticed a slightly higher level of agression, not like I wanted to cause any harm, but what I would consider controllable positive agression, dare I say, swagger? lol My stength increased at a higher rate and my bodyfat levels dropped slightly when using it despite gaining weight. The only negative for me was that my skin tended be a little more oily and I got a few pimples from it, but other than that, everything was great.
                    How old are you man? If you don't mind me asking.

                    Thinking about giving it a shot during these next few months, but I'm relatively young (22) so I'm unsure if it would be worth the money.
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                    • #11
                      I agree with you Mentalflex. Go ahead and say it, "swagger". I had the same affects on MG test booster., increased libido, getting leaner but still seeing the scale go up slightly, increased strength and feeling like you want to puff your chest out a little more than normal. i have not had any negative side affects from it. IMO it's a great product.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by darkguitars2000 View Post
                        How old are you man? If you don't mind me asking.

                        Thinking about giving it a shot during these next few months, but I'm relatively young (22) so I'm unsure if it would be worth the money.
                        Don't mind you asking at all. I'm 24, not much older than you, and IMO, feel that this supplement is worth its price. Oh, and I have retained all of my gains from it with no kind of rebound to speak of. I did not get any blood work done after I took it so I cannot verify specific numbers, but I didn't get in any kind of slump training or physique wise (I am actually a little leaner now than I was after I stopped). The only thing after I stopped taking it was there was less of the super sex drive that comes along with it lol
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mentalflex View Post
                          Don't mind you asking at all. I'm 24, not much older than you, and IMO, feel that this supplement is worth its price. Oh, and I have retained all of my gains from it with no kind of rebound to speak of. I did not get any blood work done after I took it so I cannot verify specific numbers, but I didn't get in any kind of slump training or physique wise (I am actually a little leaner now than I was after I stopped). The only thing after I stopped taking it was there was less of the super sex drive that comes along with it lol
                          Very awesome. Sounds like it will be worthwhile then.

                          How are your gains coming man? I remember reading about your first blast with Scott, what progress has been made since?

                          EDIT: You can PM if you want, I don't wanna jack this thread. Sorry to venture off topic, OP.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by darkguitars2000 View Post
                            Very awesome. Sounds like it will be worthwhile then.

                            How are your gains coming man? I remember reading about your first blast with Scott, what progress has been made since?

                            EDIT: You can PM if you want, I don't wanna jack this thread. Sorry to venture off topic, OP.

                            Thanks for asking, Scott and I are doing well with the program. I've been staying a little too lean though in order to reach my overall goals so we just made some changes to help me gain some weight I'll probably get a little soft over the next few weeks, but I have no problem dieting.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Quadriceps View Post
                              I got gyno symptoms as well from DAA. It has been shown to increase prolactin and progesterone 2.5-3 fold.
                              Note - those data are from studies of male rats injected with DAA, not oral supplementation in humans.



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