NPC Natural contests

[rynobull]

I am looking at doing a comp next spring and here is my question:

I have used small doses of super supps in the past but haven't in quite some time. Is it fair for me to do a NPC Natural contest ever? How is this generally looked upon. I mean I know i could use some super supps and stop them a month or two before and test clean, but that doesn't seem too ethical to me.

I am on HRT of 160mg a week of test cyp and have been for over 4 years. Is this fair? Will this test me positive in an NPC drug test?

I guess I just want to be fair....... but is this something like NASCAR where you push that fine line of doing everything you can, but not getting caught? I'm really confused on it as I have seen first hand some guys around my area using, then doing a natural show....WTF?


Thanks,

-Ryno

[MPC5000WATTS]

Plain and simple. The winners of "Natural" comps are not natural, I can care less what someone's on, I just feel you shouldn't have to cheat (compete with pure/lifetime drugfree) to win . Ryno, when I say you I'm not talking about you bc YOU have a conscious. Usually its defined and they will say usage within the last 2-5 years will eliminate you using the honor system. It's these other cat's that are afraid to compete in the untested federations, shows, meets etc.

[rynobull]

Thanks for the response.

I guess I will read the entry form rules and see what that time frame is.

[DCBliever]

Thanks for the response.

I guess I will read the entry form rules and see what that time frame is.

I think most natural federations are 5 year periods.

[Quadriceps]

In my opinion you should not compete in natural competitions if you have used illegal substances or substances that are not allowed in that federation. But that's just me.

[RedSkull]

Wouldn't any exogenous hormones (even only HRT) provide an upper hand over a true natural, because those (the test cyp) levels aren't effected by the rigours of contest prep (dieting/excessive cardio etc) like a true naturals levels would be? I think I remember reading in Lyle's UD2 book how most (true) natural bb, by the time of the contest, their natural levels are quite dramatically lowered...

[CJ Hartley]

You cant compete since your on T Cyp even if its Dr prescribed HRT. Also you would have to stop about 3+ months to possibly not test positive.
I competed naturally for many years, I would not compete in a natural contest again even if I had been clean for the prerequisited 5-7 years or what ever the time frame is. But that is just me and my concious.

[rynobull]

I see what your saying, that does indeed make sense as well. The extremes of contest prep would have to effect hormone levels and being on HRT would have to be of a benefit in that situation!

Wouldn't any exogenous hormones (even only HRT) provide an upper hand over a true natural, because those (the test cyp) levels aren't effected by the rigours of contest prep (dieting/excessive cardio etc) like a true naturals levels would be? I think I remember reading in Lyle's UD2 book how most (true) natural bb, by the time of the contest, their natural levels are quite dramatically lowered...

[bhman6]

check with the promoter

Plain and simple. The winners of "Natural" comps are not natural, I can care less what someone's on, I just feel you shouldn't have to cheat (compete with pure/lifetime drugfree) to win . Ryno, when I say you I'm not talking about you bc YOU have a conscious. Usually its defined and they will say usage within the last 2-5 years will eliminate you using the honor system. It's these other cat's that are afraid to compete in the untested federations, shows, meets etc.

comments like this are hilarious

[bigoso]

From what I know npc "natural" require 1 year clean. I know of some guys on hrt who checked with the promoter and he was ok with it

[O.G. Pimpin]

I know of some guys on hrt who checked with the promoter and he was ok with it

Seems there's some truth to the old joke that if you're using less than a gram of Test a week, you're considered "natural."

[breck]

Agree with Ben and see whay the promoter says. The NGA show near me even has even allowed those on hrt/trt to compete, but now they need something from their dr showing their levels. Some natural sanctions are different, with some having very strict guidelines on banned subs, while others allowing anything otc.

And if you aren't allowed, I wouldn't be sneaky about it. There are other non-tested shows you could do as well. Good luck.

[rynobull]

I checked the NPC Natural Ohio and it was 1 year.

From what I know npc "natural" require 1 year clean. I know of some guys on hrt who checked with the promoter and he was ok with it

[thedunhill225]

I give you credit for asking and wanting feedback but you know what is rt. Inside you know what you are ok with. Just because you CAN do something (beat a test, compete in some.shows while on trt, etc...) Does not mean you should. Years ago I thought about it after I was off for a while and had been out of the gym.... I was looking around and checked some contests and some were lifetime, some were 7 years, some were less but even though I had not used in a while and was just getting back in the gym I still had an unfair advantage. I regained my size quick and got close to where I had been while I was on cause of muscle memory and the fact that my past drug use had "re-set my natural set point" and I know I was larger than I had if I had never used so I did not feel it was the right thing to do. We all know what is right....even if we try to convince ourselves otherwise. If I had competed and done well....what would it mean? Could I feel good about the trophy I got? I decided that for myself it was wrong and did not compete. I've know people that did compete in natural shows when they were far from natural and I was never impressed by their actions. Just ask yourself, what if you knew a guy that used gear before a natural show or even uses gear in the past and competed in a natural show....would their placing well impress you? Rt and wrong is pretty clear cut, we all know the difference even when we try to justify our own actions....we still know. If your past use falls under their "clean" rules then fine, nothing wrong with it but if it doesn't and you compete cause you can pass the test I would not. Integrity can't be bought by a piece of plastic (or at least it SHOULD NOT be). Let your personal rt and wrong guidelines guide you.

Best if luck, you sound like you want to do what's rt and I'm sure you will.

I know.... I know.... I'm real judgemental.