Best Legal Test Booster or Ph

[J-Dar44]

I'm trying to find the best Legal Test Booster or Ph. I'm a natti BB'er and am looking to add a little more size this off season. I know that some of these could case a failed drug test, however I believe if given a long enough time my levels would regulate back to normal. With that, I have been suggested Bioforge V3 with Triazole. Also DAA, however I have read no company creates a supplement with enough to really increase test levels. They say you need 3 grams per day to see a 33% increase in test. I have also been suggest Battle Fuel and T-bol. I have done my own research on Havoc, Hdrol. I need some help making a decision. Any suggestions?

[mentalflex]

TP's DAA has 750mg of DAA per capsule, so at 4 caps per day you hit 3,000mg ($13.95 for 120 caps, pretty cheap for a 30 day supply). Also, I've used MG's Super Test boost before with good results.

if you are looking for a natty t booster I would say they are worth the cash.

[MachMood]

Pretty sure H-drol is still legal (PH), as far as popular OTC test boosters check out Activate Xtreme/Triazole combo +DAA. Seems to be the most popular but alil pricey

[Sammich]

I'm a natti BB'er

Not if you take that stuff, you're not.

[strewwwth]

You look young with plenty of time for shows.
Consider a year or two or three of intense off season training and eating.
A healthy young body has plenty of testosterone to tap into with some raw training.

[Tubocharged]

I don't think many people would take well to you taking Ph's and competing in natty tested bodybuilding comps...If you're not planning to do said natty shows.. ignore this i guess.

[homonunculus]

I'm trying to find the best Legal Test Booster or Ph. I'm a natti BB'er and am looking to add a little more size this off season. I know that some of these could case a failed drug test, however I believe if given a long enough time my levels would regulate back to normal. With that, I have been suggested Bioforge V3 with Triazole. Also DAA, however I have read no company creates a supplement with enough to really increase test levels. They say you need 3 grams per day to see a 33% increase in test. I have also been suggest Battle Fuel and T-bol. I have done my own research on Havoc, Hdrol. I need some help making a decision. Any suggestions?

I don't think many people would take well to you taking Ph's and competing in natty tested bodybuilding comps...If you're not planning to do said natty shows.. ignore this i guess.

I think the point here it to find the most effective way to cheat, actually.

-S

[J-Dar44]

I'm 29 years old and have been training for 15 years. I have been doing intense off season work in addition to monitoring nutrition. I have mostly stuck to eating to grow however was curious about the DAA.

[J-Dar44]

I think the point here it to find the most effective way to cheat, actually.

-S

Actually, numerous NGA athletes take DAA as well as pro SNBF take T-Bol and battle fuel by musclepharm. These plus DAA are not banned by the natural organizations which was I asked this question. Battle fuel and Tbol are both natural test boosters.

[homonunculus]

Actually, numerous NGA athletes take DAA as well as pro SNBF take T-Bol and battle fuel by musclepharm. These plus DAA are not banned by the natural organizations which was I asked this question. Battle fuel and Tbol are both natural test boosters.

So, if the best means to gain as much muscle mass and "regulate back to normal" were a banned prohormone, would you use that?

If DAA, Tbol, Battlefuel other products that are not banned are the only ones you plan to use, why are you asking about prohormones?...

In your original post, you did not specify that you wanted to stay within the rules, but you DID specify that you wanted your hormones to "regulate back to normal" "given a long enough time." This suggested to me that you wanted the most potent OTC combination possible such that you would still be able to pass a urinalysis test on the day of the show.

-S

[lhart6272]

...hard to pull the wool over ol' homon's eyes.

if he has children bet they dont get away with shit!

[J-Dar44]

So, if the best means to gain as much muscle mass and "regulate back to normal" were a banned prohormone, would you use that?

If DAA, Tbol, Battlefuel other products that are not banned are the only ones you plan to use, why are you asking about prohormones?...

In your original post, you did not specify that you wanted to stay within the rules, but you DID specify that you wanted your hormones to "regulate back to normal" "given a long enough time." This suggested to me that you wanted the most potent OTC combination possible such that you would still be able to pass a urinalysis test on the day of the show.

-S

I know that there are some banned substances that can't be used by the natural organizations and some things are ok. I just want to make sure I do pass a piss test and not take something that would jeopardize my status. My question was if there was anything that I cam take that won't jeopardize my natti status while allowing me togain more size. There might not be anything can take from what it sounds. I wasnt sure if prohormones would effect me to where I wouldn't pass or if I could take them and still be ok.

[homonunculus]

I know that there are some banned substances that can't be used by the natural organizations and some things are ok. I just want to make sure I do pass a piss test and not take something that would jeopardize my status. My question was if there was anything that I cam take that won't jeopardize my natti status while allowing me togain more size. There might not be anything can take from what it sounds. I wasnt sure if prohormones would effect me to where I wouldn't pass or if I could take them and still be ok.

I really am not up to speed on the rules and reg's of all of the different organizations. I think this would be as simple as checking with the organization to see how they govern this.

For instance, if an ingredient in one of those natural test boosters is prohibited, then that's a no-no.

(I"m pretty sure pro-hormone's are banned universally... LOL)

The tougher question is what happens if you for instance have a test/epitest ratio that is out of range, but this is due to a non-banned substance. I'd assume the don't care what your explanation is, to be honest.

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To get to your question, there isn't much data out there regarding the actual blood elevations in testosterone from "natural" test booster, and I've not seen any data where epitestosterone was tested, e.g., in a study to see if a given "natural" OTC product would produce a positive drug test... this would come from experiences of athletes, most likely those who got caught. Even then, there's the matter of believing them...

There are genetic differences in the T/E ratio, too and it's also relevant what kind of tests they are running in the organization you compete in.

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The easiest solution is just to ask them specifically about the product you want to take, find out if it's banned and ask about the above issues. However, if you plan to try to use "something" anyway, this is a goo way to attract attention to yourself. (This is another reason why I suspected you were trying to cheat - why not just ask the governing body / look it up vs. fishing around on the internet?... )

-S

[J-Dar44]

I really am not up to speed on the rules and reg's of all of the different organizations. I think this would be as simple as checking with the organization to see how they govern this.

For instance, if an ingredient in one of those natural test boosters is prohibited, then that's a no-no.

(I"m pretty sure pro-hormone's are banned universally... LOL)

The tougher question is what happens if you for instance have a test/epitest ratio that is out of range, but this is due to a non-banned substance. I'd assume the don't care what your explanation is, to be honest.

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To get to your question, there isn't much data out there regarding the actual blood elevations in testosterone from "natural" test booster, and I've not seen any data where epitestosterone was tested, e.g., in a study to see if a given "natural" OTC product would produce a positive drug test... this would come from experiences of athletes, most likely those who got caught. Even then, there's the matter of believing them...

There are genetic differences in the T/E ratio, too and it's also relevant what kind of tests they are running in the organization you compete in.

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The easiest solution is just to ask them specifically about the product you want to take, find out if it's banned and ask about the above issues. However, if you plan to try to use "something" anyway, this is a goo way to attract attention to yourself. (This is another reason why I suspected you were trying to cheat - why not just ask the governing body / look it up vs. fishing around on the internet?... )

-S

I agree that it seems fishy, but I thought there would be some people who could give some advice similar to yours. I read a lot on these forums and thought it might be a good place to ask for suggestions. I have read through the banned substance list and emailed numerous people at theNGA and got generic info such as, you can take any legal substance but if that legal substance causes you to fail a test, sorry. I found this to be little to no help which is why I asked about specific products. I don't want to cheat, but find out what I possibly could take that will work and not cause me to fail a test and was legal.

[homonunculus]

I agree that it seems fishy, but I thought there would be some people who could give some advice similar to yours. I read a lot on these forums and thought it might be a good place to ask for suggestions. I have read through the banned substance list and emailed numerous people at theNGA and got generic info such as, you can take any legal substance but if that legal substance causes you to fail a test, sorry. I found this to be little to no help which is why I asked about specific products. I don't want to cheat, but find out what I possibly could take that will work and not cause me to fail a test and was legal.

Here is there banned substance list. Prohormones are "related substances" in the anabolic steroids category.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:qbgqfiJb4doJ:bodybysandy.com/forms/NGABANNEDSUBSTANCES.doc+nga+banned+substance+list&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj8GP124a6kj3zemJBlHMqePVCFWqdZaY5BW1aMb3zraHq1tiym1OZAXtwRzc3gApA7hTJGl6Q8JP4qEs3_o_DmmURGlYIOOFXtX3O02J0IUZRDQecLfV3x-EwIJ6Ol9kWLpgpl&sig=AHIEtbREyJi-4eHbkR6s6z6wFb_JnowNCQ

-S