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  • Long term Aas means: loss of libido?

    I'm curious, if someone would cycle on and off for maybe 15 years, and
    is a 45 yrs old man.
    Would his libido affected? Is there a change he can't get it up anymore?
    I'm curious, please vets be honest...

    I'm a little scared about this one, because I do want to *be able to have sex* when I'm 45 orso ..

    Vets, please answer this....

    Thanks for the help
    Last edited by GetnBigr; 08-24-2004, 07:50 AM.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Geoffke
    I'm a little scared about this one, because I do want to have some pussy
    when I'm 45 orso ..
    Nicely put, class act.



    Even though you didn't ask for THIS advice, I'm going to give you some anyway. Stop thinking of the internet as a place where you can say whatever you want without offending. Imagine, if you will, that a message board is a big building with different rooms (forums). You can go into the different rooms and talk about various subjects with all different kinds of people.
    If you were really standing in a room with anywhere from 5-15 people in it talking about various training, nutrition, supplement and super supplement topics and some of the people in that room are female (maybe even wives of some of the male members), would you really say what you just said and not expect to get your ass whipped or at the minimum escorted out?

    Please don't take this as a threat because it's not. I'm sure most of the people that come here have thick skin and can blow off all the stupid talk (my wife included). I'm just trying to get you to think.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by The Munster
      Nicely put, class act.



      Even though you didn't ask for THIS advice, I'm going to give you some anyway. Stop thinking of the internet as a place where you can say whatever you want without offending. Imagine, if you will, that a message board is a big building with different rooms (forums). You can go into the different rooms and talk about various subjects with all different kinds of people.
      If you were really standing in a room with anywhere from 5-15 people in it talking about various training, nutrition, supplement and super supplement topics and some of the people in that room are female (maybe even wives of some of the male members), would you really say what you just said and not expect to get your ass whipped or at the minimum escorted out?

      Please don't take this as a threat because it's not. I'm sure most of the people that come here have thick skin and can blow off all the stupid talk (my wife included). I'm just trying to get you to think.
      I'm not trying to offend anybody, If I did, I'm very sorry.
      I love bodybuilding and everything around it, and I look up to succesfull bodybuilder, so in no way I want to offend them.

      I'm just asking a normal question, would juicing affect the libido severe on long
      term...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Geoffke
        I'm not trying to offend anybody, If I did, I'm very sorry.
        I love bodybuilding and everything around it, and I look up to succesfull bodybuilder, so in no way I want to offend them.

        I'm just asking a normal question, would juicing affect the libido severe on long
        term...

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        It's all good, man. I'm sorry if I came on to strong there. That's usually not like me, but I'm in a mood tonight.
        In regards to your question; I know others more educated in pharmacology and physiology will have much better answers than I can provide but my thoughts on the subject are these:

        First and foremost what do you mean by long term? Do you mean 15 years of aas use without ever coming off? Or, do you mean a few cycles per year for 15 or so years? I would venture to guess that the difference would be profound.

        Second, my attitude/opinion towards aas use is this: use intelligently and strategically, and you'll more than likely be ok when you are 45 and beyond. Abuse without regard to safety or longevity and you'll probably pay for it (perhaps even sooner rather than later).

        But, like I said, others will/should come in and answer this with more validity than me.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Geoffke
          I'm not trying to offend anybody, If I did, I'm very sorry.
          I love bodybuilding and everything around it, and I look up to succesfull bodybuilder, so in no way I want to offend them.

          I'm just asking a normal question, would juicing affect the libido severe on long
          term...

          Greetz
          Good question......I like it better rephrased this way too.

          I am not an expert and every situation will be unique of course. I think the libido will be fine after 15 years of cycling. Of course if a fellow used extremely high doses for 15 years non stop it will probably take a while for his HPTA to get online again...but it SHOULD come back to normal. If not, such a person would be on HRT but I think that would be rare.
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          • #6
            Thanks for the reply's...
            By long term I mean:

            for example 10 weeks cycle and 12-16 weeks rest minimum.
            Test not higher then 750mg and orals are taken' with sence.

            So cycling with enought rest in between...

            Sorry for this strange question but I'm curious on it...

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            Last edited by Geoffke; 08-24-2004, 07:27 AM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Geoffke
              Thanks for the reply's...
              By long term I mean:

              for example 10 weeks cycle and 12-16 weeks rest minimum.
              Test not higher then 750mg and orals are taken' with sence.

              So cycling with enought rest in between...

              Sorry for this strange question but I'm curious on it...

              Ow, you all can see my pics at:

              http://redbox.be/superRamses

              I'm 21 and lifting for 3 years


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              IMO that would not permanently suppress your endogenous test levels to where you would not achieve an erection. If it did, that would probably be extremely rare.

              Just a FYI.....I would avoid orals at all costs. Not that they will have a long lasting effect on your libido, just that in your case (and any other non competitive athlete) there is more possibility for toxicity than there is possibility for benefit.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by SuperSport
                IMO that would not permanently suppress your endogenous test levels to where you would not achieve an erection. If it did, that would probably be extremely rare.

                Just a FYI.....I would avoid orals at all costs. Not that they will have a long lasting effect on your libido, just that in your case (and any other non competitive athlete) there is more possibility for toxicity than there is possibility for benefit.
                Hey, I was thinking about the orals to...
                So would you use test prop instead maybe?
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                • #9
                  Can't say what I would use or what anyone else would use-

                  But it seems as though most recreational BBer's have good success with propionate. Frequent inj is troublesome for a few but by and large this seems to be the route of many.
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                  • #10
                    Bro, the bottom line is no one really knows how YOUR body will respond to 15 years of on and off cycling. I wouldn't tell you yes or no as I REALLY don't have a clue. My FEELING is that compared to a male who has not done the yo-yo cycling, your libido will be less than your normal 45 yr old males. To what degree, no one knows. It depends on your genetic predispostion, i.e. where you fall in the normal range of test production, PCT use, time off etc. AAS is a choice you make. And i'm not against it, hell, I'm on right now. But make sure you have a plan in mind on how and what to use, and more importantly why you are using it. If your planning already to be on and off for the next 15 years, there better be some good solid reasons for yourself that you are. Are you competing, making money off your body, etc.... Also, in my opinon orals are fine on limited use. But years of use, high doses, and coupled with use of alcohol, pain killers, or rec drugs will effect your liver negatively in the long run.

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                    • #11
                      xRAJAx:

                      I am going to disagree with something that you said and that I have heard A LOT of other people say. You said there had better be a good reason for being on that long and then you asked if they made money on their bodies or are competing. By saying that, you seem to be implying (you are not the only one) that it is okay if you sell yourself to the devil but make sure you get money or a trophy out of it. I know you may not have MEANT it that way but that is certainly what you are saying.

                      It shouldn't matter whether someone is competing or making money or just wants to feel better about how they look and feel. We, as a subculture, like to argue that we should be left alone to make our own decisions about what we put in our bodies and then turn around and imply to other fellow bodybuilders that there should be a better reason for what they are doing.

                      It is a bit hypocritical and I mean no disrespect when I say this because I may have personally commited this crime on occasion, myself.

                      Just my opinion......

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                      • #12
                        Geofke:

                        I have known alot of guys that have taken much more than you are talking about and for more than 15 years, too. I can't think of any of them having any problems that I am aware of, HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that you or I wouldn't have problems. It is way too difficult to tell who will have what problems and when or if they will ever manifest. I know you would like a better answer than this but in reality, I think it is a pretty good answer because it doesn't mislead.

                        Is there potential for problems after 15 years of using gear? Of course it is possible. We all know that. Is it enevitable? Not at all. There are just so many variables that it is hard to say. No matter, be smart and be cautious.

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                        • #13
                          I think at the same time you older guys can pass down your experiences to the younger crowd, perhaps you have sold yourself to the devil for a trophy or some extra cash, but along the way you learned things of what to do or not to do, and so it may come off as being hypocritical, but perhaps in some way your looking out for them.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Skip
                            xRAJAx:

                            I am going to disagree with something that you said and that I have heard A LOT of other people say. You said there had better be a good reason for being on that long and then you asked if they made money on their bodies or are competing. By saying that, you seem to be implying (you are not the only one) that it is okay if you sell yourself to the devil but make sure you get money or a trophy out of it. I know you may not have MEANT it that way but that is certainly what you are saying.

                            It shouldn't matter whether someone is competing or making money or just wants to feel better about how they look and feel. We, as a subculture, like to argue that we should be left alone to make our own decisions about what we put in our bodies and then turn around and imply to other fellow bodybuilders that there should be a better reason for what they are doing.

                            It is a bit hypocritical and I mean no disrespect when I say this because I may have personally commited this crime on occasion, myself.

                            Just my opinion......

                            Skip
                            Point taken, and your right. Looking back it is somewhat hypocritical.

                            I should have left that out of my statement. Or at least put just my opinon in quotes. I just kinda cringed when I saw this question about what's going to happen in 15 years from someone so young. I think I should have asked what his goals are, before stating that. I don't mean that you should sell your soul to the devil for a contest or money as you put it. Not at all. I just imagined some young kid thinking okay, no problem, I can take what I want for 10-15yrs and there will be no issues with having kids or sex. I wanted to let him know that there MAY be an issue....and thats what I should have left it at.

                            Come to think of it, I should have just stated what I thought as my opinon. As FOR ME it's not okay unless I am going to compete, or have a set goal, or make a living off of my body in one way or another. But that doesn't mean everyone else agrees or is wrong. So let me rephrase this: For me, it is an issue to worry about what's going to happen 15yrs down the line as my health is a concern for me, so if I were to take drugs that do harm me in some way, or could cause some health problems I could only see MYSELF doing it for a contest or some type of short term goal. For myself, I don't think I'll be on and off for 15years. This in no way means what others are doing is wrong. And their reasons are justifiable as they are for them only. And we should be allowed to do what we want with our own bodies.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by xRAJAx
                              Point taken, and your right. Looking back it is somewhat hypocritical.

                              I should have left that out of my statement. Or at least put just my opinon in quotes. I just kinda cringed when I saw this question about what's going to happen in 15 years from someone so young. I think I should have asked what his goals are, before stating that. I don't mean that you should sell your soul to the devil for a contest or money as you put it. Not at all. I just imagined some young kid thinking okay, no problem, I can take what I want for 10-15yrs and there will be no issues with having kids or sex. I wanted to let him know that there MAY be an issue....and thats what I should have left it at.

                              Come to think of it, I should have just stated what I thought as my opinon. As FOR ME it's not okay unless I am going to compete, or have a set goal, or make a living off of my body in one way or another. But that doesn't mean everyone else agrees or is wrong. So let me rephrase this: For me, it is an issue to worry about what's going to happen 15yrs down the line as my health is a concern for me, so if I were to take drugs that do harm me in some way, or could cause some health problems I could only see MYSELF doing it for a contest or some type of short term goal. For myself, I don't think I'll be on and off for 15years. This in no way means what others are doing is wrong. And their reasons are justifiable as they are for them only. And we should be allowed to do what we want with our own bodies.

                              R
                              We are on the same page, bro. I just want to send the message to the youngens that if you aren't comfortable using something, a contest or money shouldn't MAKE it comfortable. THAT is the selling yourself to the devil that I was referring to.

                              Have I done it? Hmmm..... Maybe, and maybe that is why it bothers me.

                              I don't think I can wait until next week's therapy session. Now, what did I do with her number.... *scratches head*

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