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    I just got back my bloodwork today. It appears my test levels are low which is probably why I am tired all the time and gains come very very slow for me. My question is what should I ask for from the Doc and what will the long term effects be? Here is what came back on the bloodwork. Age is 28

    Test, free and total, lc/ms/ms
    Test, Total, lc/ms/ms Came in out of range at 197

    Free Test Came in range at 69.9

    Thanks in advance for any advice

  • #2
    WOW! How much AAS have you done? How long ago? What other factors like chemical exposure do you have? Do you drink too much and sleep too little?
    Might be a fluke or temporary. If it was me, I would look at a re-test in maybe 3 months.
    HRT is a permanent solution. No going back once you start.
    What does your doc say about it? Is he going to refer you to an endo?
    If it's not fun, don't do it

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    • #3
      My doc is out of town till the end of the week so we have not talked about it yet. The only chemicals I am exposed to are lawn chemicals. I may have a drink a few times a year but thats it. I have dieted and it always seems almost impossible to make gains, libido has seemed to drop over the past couple of years, and I am always tired so I just decided to have my levels checked. Everything else came back perfect..

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      • #4
        And I guess I could wait to get tested again in 3 months but I really dont see it being a fluke. Besides that I almost passed out when they took my blood. Not the best feeling..

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        • #5
          You don't have to be exposed to chemicals to have low test levels. There are also thousands upon thousands of people everyday who hae never cycled and yet they have low test levels. Low test levels are quite common.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ken "Skip" Hill View Post
            You don't have to be exposed to chemicals to have low test levels. There are also thousands upon thousands of people everyday who hae never cycled and yet they have low test levels. Low test levels are quite common.

            Skip

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            Thanks Skip. What do you think I should ask for next time I see my doctor?

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            • #7
              I am 26 and are in your shoes. I have never done any AAS, Honestly. I had a sleep study done in which I found I have mild sleep apnea and the doctor said I needed to get some blood work ran. (I am a Med. Tech. - I run blood work in a hospital lab, so I know this stuff.) My test came back 169; it was drawn around 9 A.M. So I went to go see an endocrinologist he had me get a Prolactin, LH, Test and something else, but had it get drawn at like 7 A.M., shortly after waking, when levels are highest. He wanted to make sure that on the slightest chance that there wasn't anything wrong with the pituitary keep me from making more Test.
              So now I am on 1cc of test enanthate once every 2 weeks for 3 months to help me feel a little better. But he is worried about the long term effects of usage because of chances of sterility and the body not making it's own Test after long term use. going back in about 2 months to recheck and talk some more.
              OH yeah don't listen to jmhester1956, he doesn't have a clue. He's old, we are still young.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AcE001 View Post
                Thanks Skip. What do you think I should ask for next time I see my doctor?
                Umm.... Duh.



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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jlbrebels View Post
                  I am 26 and are in your shoes. I have never done any AAS, Honestly. I had a sleep study done in which I found I have mild sleep apnea and the doctor said I needed to get some blood work ran. (I am a Med. Tech. - I run blood work in a hospital lab, so I know this stuff.) My test came back 169; it was drawn around 9 A.M. So I went to go see an endocrinologist he had me get a Prolactin, LH, Test and something else, but had it get drawn at like 7 A.M., shortly after waking, when levels are highest. He wanted to make sure that on the slightest chance that there wasn't anything wrong with the pituitary keep me from making more Test.
                  So now I am on 1cc of test enanthate once every 2 weeks for 3 months to help me feel a little better. But he is worried about the long term effects of usage because of chances of sterility and the body not making it's own Test after long term use. going back in about 2 months to recheck and talk some more.
                  OH yeah don't listen to jmhester1956, he doesn't have a clue. He's old, we
                  are still young.
                  Just so you are aware OP, the intelligence of this post and the intelligence of the protocol laid out here is about equivalent to the level of intelligence displayed by the poster's grammar.

                  Not to sound overly harsh, but it pisses me off when people who clearly are not really aware of how hormone therapy works and what they are doing with their body post giving advice to others.
                  :mmph:

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                  • #10
                    Who is OP? What does "OP" stand for? What advice has been given? Did I miss something? zalex999 I hope you are smart enough to distinguish the difference between a recollection of my current situation from advice. Also, are you a board certified endocrinologist? If not, you have absolutely no right to question the diagnostic and treatment protocol of one. Are you so haughty as to think that you actually know more about the hormonal physiology of the human body than an endocrinologist? zalex999 As we say down here in the South, "Son you need to check yoself".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jlbrebels View Post
                      Who is OP? What does "OP" stand for? What advice has been given? Did I miss something? zalex999 I hope you are smart enough to distinguish the difference between a recollection of my current situation from advice. Also, are you a board certified endocrinologist? If not, you have absolutely no right to question the diagnostic and treatment protocol of one. Are you so haughty as to think that you actually know more about the hormonal physiology of the human body than an endocrinologist? zalex999 As we say down here in the South, "Son you need to check yoself".
                      The sad thing is, he's right. The half-life of the enanthate ester that you're getting is less than a week, so if you're getting a shot every 2 weeks then you're on a horrible hormonal roller-coaster.

                      And where exactly do you think your natural test production will be in a few months after using exogenous hormones? Higher or lower? HINT: Negative feedback mechanics.

                      EDIT: And people DO have the rights to question physicians' methods. Doctors are people too; not gods. They are 100% fallible. And just to prove it, your endocrinologist's treatment protocol for you is fundamentally flawed. If you're concerned about the possibility of children in the future, you probably should have tried Clomid or hCG before test replacement, which only serves to further suppress any natural production.
                      Last edited by Sammich; 05-11-2011, 10:19 PM.
                      Ph.D., Theoretical Physics '16
                      kind of a douche

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                      • #12
                        ill second mr sammich. i had to go see an endocronologist last year and he didnt know shit other than how to write out scripts on his pad.not all doctors know everything, especially when it comes to hormonal issues.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sloowdown View Post
                          ill second mr sammich. i had to go see an endocronologist last year and he didnt know shit other than how to write out scripts on his pad.not all doctors know everything, especially when it comes to hormonal issues.
                          Let me say that endocrinologists do know the things they encounter most frequently, which are medical issues like diabetes, thyroid disorders, and the like. But there are so few endocrinologists with experience in male hormone replacement, and there is such a stigma against it both in society in general and medical society, that there is very little reason for them to give it any extra attention. Also medical science and education are currently way behind the times in male sex hormone issues, so the education they do receive is typically inadequate and, frankly, wrong.
                          Ph.D., Theoretical Physics '16
                          kind of a douche

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jlbrebels View Post
                            OH yeah don't listen to jmhester1956, he doesn't have a clue. He's old, we are still young.
                            Hey, as soon as he said he was 26, I backed out. I admit I don't know shit about low test for younger guys. So watch your mouth, sonny! :peace:
                            If it's not fun, don't do it

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                            • #15
                              I'll try not to be overly repetitive of what has been said by Sammich but here we go.

                              Originally posted by jlbrebels View Post
                              Who is OP? What does "OP" stand for?

                              OP stands for "Opening Poster" in this case referring to AcE001

                              What advice has been given? Did I miss something?

                              "OH yeah don't listen to jmhester1956, he doesn't have a clue. He's old, we are still young." Is direct advice.

                              zalex999 I hope you are smart enough to distinguish the difference between a recollection of my current situation from advice.

                              I am. However, when someone posts a thread looking for advice and you post your solution to a similar problem, this can be taken as your endorsement of the approach. In this case that endorsement is of a protocol that is more likely to leave someone feeling worse than they did before beginning treatment as not only will you be damaging what natural production you have, you also will be introducing a substance which (as Sammich pointed out) has a half-life of 5-6 days meaning the once every 2 week protocol can leave you with levels below those previously experienced. Injecting this infrequently will creates spikes and lows, the further between injections, the longer the down zone. That protocol is not something i would want AcE001, or you, to be putting themselves through.

                              Also, are you a board certified endocrinologist?

                              No.

                              If not, you have absolutely no right to question the diagnostic and treatment protocol of one.

                              According to who/what? If you do not take control of your own health care, no one will. Perhaps YOU should be the one questioning the protocol that YOU are subjecting YOUR body to. If you put in some time researching exactly what your doing, you may have a very different take on your current situation. I encourage you, as i have others on this same subject on this board, to educate yourself, and be willing to take control of your health care. This is especially true in a situation like yours where i am afraid the protocol you are on is going to leave you feeling worse than you did before beginning treatment as well as carrying side effects for things such as your Lh signaling and testicular size/fertility.

                              Are you so haughty as to think that you actually know more about the hormonal physiology of the human body than an endocrinologist?

                              No. I am however, involved enough to do my own research and come to a doctor with an education to be able to work with them as an intelligent human not an order accepting robot. Endocrinologist's go through extensive education, this does not mean they know everything, many specialists are highly narrow minded and unfortunately and often act based on numbers and "by the book" treatments instead of looking at symptoms and patients individually. Also, TrT is a relativity new, socially stigmatized field in which a many endocrinologists are not well versed.


                              zalex999 As we say down here in the South, "Son you need to check yoself".

                              I hope my response has clarified some of my points, and that you can see where i am coming from.
                              All the best.

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