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    If you don't take time off ....
    Last edited by Heckman; 02-24-2005, 04:51 PM.
    Heckman aka "WISE" OLD MAN


  • #2
    TTT

    I've never done this myself, so it would be nice to hear from someone.


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    • #3
      I do not change my test dosages all year. I change them BY the year. If in the offseason, I simply add either EQ or DECA for about 4 months at a time. I might even throw in tren for 8 weeks or so just to break up the monotony a bit.

      For precontest, the plan is a bit more complicated but in the offseason, I keep it very simple.

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      • #4
        bump for more year rounders
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Skip
          I do not change my test dosages all year. I change them BY the year. If in the offseason, I simply add either EQ or DECA for about 4 months at a time. I might even throw in tren for 8 weeks or so just to break up the monotony a bit.

          For precontest, the plan is a bit more complicated but in the offseason, I keep it very simple.

          Skip

          Skip are you saying that for the mostpart you're on test and nothing else? And then to break it up you'll throw in something else?? Just want to be sure I understand what you're saying.

          Bump for more responses too!


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          • #6
            C'mon guys..curious minds want to know this stuff for future reference..
            Heckman aka "WISE" OLD MAN

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            • #7
              I have always done very long cycles-20-26 weeks. The ONLY reason I ever went off (for all of about 6 weeks) is because my lifting buddies talked lots of crap to me about it.

              I started year round last July after reading a thread at MC in which Skip gave his reasons for doing so. Homo seemed to back him up, and a strongman on the board vouched for year round also. It made sense to me...so I am doing it.

              I am using 750-1000 mg week of Enanthate as my base and adding EQ and tren off and on. I did use a short blast of A-50 a couple months ago for 3 weeks.

              I feel great....stats are good...happy with things you know?
              The up and down with "cycling" sucks IMO. You bust your ass, eat like an animal, trian like a convict, and then at the end of 12 weeks you end your program and end up looking like the incredible shrinking man. No thanks.
              I do have blood work done every 8-12 weeks or so and use Meridian Stress Assessment also. For the record I am healthy as a horse.
              I only adjust/increase the dosage as I plataeu in strength and size. I am not looking for that crucial extra 5 pounds of muscle since I don't compete so I doubt I increase dosage much more than it is.

              For the record even if I was not into BBing as a lifestyle I would still use exogenous test year round.....too much info coming out of medicine and science saying a little extra test and anti-E is great for a 35 y/o plus guy.
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              • #8
                another option is running higher doses of test (long esters) and the running a HRT dose on your "time off" this way you dont get your down time and the effects of coming off....basically I run atleast 100-200mg enth. or cyp a week year round HCG on sat and sun. L-dex eod and your lipids are perfect and your test levels will stay at about 1000....
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                • #9
                  The way I see it, it comes down to getting your blood tests and scheduling regular doctors visits.

                  Liver and kidney ailments can pop up out of the blue in those that abuse orals. You may be fine for years, then see problems out of nowhere. You want to be safe as God only gave us one liver.

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                  • #10
                    A high quality supplement of Milk Thistle is highly recomended for improved liver function. I get mine at a Holistic MD's office.
                    No GNC or Wallyworld stuff-very poor quality.

                    I also use a quality licorice root sup-good tonifier for the GI tract and may help liver function.....good immune booster too.
                    [email protected] http://www.proactivehealthnet.com

                    " We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake"
                    Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize Winner in Chemistry for inventing the Polymerase Chain Reaction


                    "The fact is that you can not start off with bad science and end up with good medicine"

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                    • #11
                      Thanks SS...I just wonder if 500mg of test e would work well year around...
                      And yes..the additional supps for liver and immune support are essential....You should be doing that anyway..on or off!
                      Heckman aka "WISE" OLD MAN

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                      • #12
                        liver what now?

                        I started year round last July after reading a thread at MC in which Skip gave his reasons for doing so. Homo seemed to back him up, and a strongman on the board vouched for year round also. It made sense to me...so I am doing it.
                        Skip or SS... wanna share those reasons? I'm eager to hear them!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Anadrol
                          liver what now?



                          Skip or SS... wanna share those reasons? I'm eager to hear them!!!

                          Skip can discuss this better than I can.....but I will give my reasons.

                          To start with, testosterone is not the evil that conventional medicine and the media has made it out to be. There are some decidedly beneficial responses by men to testosterone therapy...particularly if you are 30 y/o or older. Anti E is a good move to.
                          I can not cite these studies at the moment-but I have read compelling research that testosterone helps some forms of brain activity (neurotransmitter activity?), shortens recuperation time , and promotes a general sense of well being. Test and anti E are great for the prostate. LA at BM posted a very impressive article that took in account 26 or so studies in regards to testosterone therapy....the results were overwhelmingly positive. Did you know the average 59 y/o man has MORE estrogen than a 52 y/o woman??? We all know Estrogen is terrible for males. The conversion of testosterone into estrogen is the real cause of prostate growth and malfunction according to some forward thinking MD's.

                          For BBing purposes, well I think it is a bad idea to keep the body's hormonal axis jumping all over the place. On for 10-12 weeks, off for 8 weeks...up and down, up and down.
                          The body will more than likely adapt to a more consistent approach-after all the body is an adaptive sort. By the time the body starts to react to all this extra exogenous test the user begins to decrease the dosage and then go off altogether-all that has happened is the user has driven his endogenous test levels in the dirt. Clomid and hcg may not be the savior that some think it is. I have read several accounts by those much smarter than me concerning hcg....they say it will not bring the test levels back up post cycle after cessation of hcg (you will have low test levels regardless).
                          As far as training....how can someone accurately gauge how their training and diet really is if you have 1 or more compounds being increased or decreased every 2 weeks or so??

                          In the final analysis.....I like the stuff. I like the way it makes me feel, makes me look, etc. And I am absolutely sure the positive benefits spill over into every aspect of my life. Self confidence, athleticism, ability to work, etc.

                          I am open to criticism...I know ever since the beginning of AAS 60 years ago that the conventional wisdom was to cycle......I just see it being more beneficial to use a steady, MODERATE dose 52 weeks a year.
                          [email protected] http://www.proactivehealthnet.com

                          " We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake"
                          Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize Winner in Chemistry for inventing the Polymerase Chain Reaction


                          "The fact is that you can not start off with bad science and end up with good medicine"

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                          • #14
                            nice post SS!

                            I can not cite these studies at the moment-but I have read compelling research that testosterone helps some forms of brain activity (neurotransmitter activity?), shortens recuperation time , and promotes a general sense of well being. Test and anti E are great for the prostate. LA at BM posted a very impressive article that took in account 26 or so studies in regards to testosterone therapy....the results were overwhelmingly positive. Did you know the average 59 y/o man has MORE estrogen than a 52 y/o woman??? We all know Estrogen is terrible for males. The conversion of testosterone into estrogen is the real cause of prostate growth and malfunction according to some forward thinking MD's.
                            Yeah, I have read that, about estrogen + prostate growth
                            When I'm older I will probably using anti-e and be on some test all year...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mark mcgwire
                              Skip are you saying that for the mostpart you're on test and nothing else? And then to break it up you'll throw in something else?? Just want to be sure I understand what you're saying.

                              Bump for more responses too!
                              No, I am saying that I don't come off test. I do, however, switch from deca to eq, to tren at different times of the year for a change of scenery.

                              I am only "just" on test for about 1-2 months after a show. You know, when I am on my death bed. lol

                              Skip


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