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  • Will these factors hurt my bulking diet?

    Id like to start off by saying, I hold 12% bodyfat no matter what I eat. Putting on fat isnt a worry for me.

    1. I like to have a very high sodium diet. I like to salt my eggs and rice. I also love snacking on salted peanuts when bulking. Tuna is a biggie also. Tons of sodium in my diet. Can it hurt?

    2. Will a diet high in fats hurt me also? I will be getting my 350-400g protein, and 550-600g carbs in per day. I eat a high fat diet when bulking also though. 6 whole eggs for breakfast, lots of peanuts and natural peanutbutter, drink a lot of milk, etc… Its not a lot of healthy fat in there, but will that hurt my bulking diet at all?

  • #2
    Milk - this has been debated ad nauseum

    As far as I'm concerned, it's not a food for bodybuilders. It not the fat (or lack of fat as in Skim), it's the lactose, which is a SIMPLE SUGAR!!!! You might as well eat ice cream.

    Too bad swolecat isn't here to back me

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    • #3
      Xcel,

      I don't want to make ya nauseous, so maybe pasting some of this info. would be cool. If its over at PM, I'll go dig it up.

      Lactose is actually a disaccharide, so its actually not a simple sugar (monosaccharide).

      I drink and eat plenty of lactose (and dairy) and simple sugars when bulking up. This is the only way I can provide the caloric stimulus to make gains.

      I've got several points to make here, but I'll wait to see what swolecat has to say. (Its a busy week.)

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      • #4
        Its not a cutting diet though, its a bulking diet. I could care less about the simple sugars, i dont put on fat if i tried. As far as im concerned, the simple sugars will create a bigger insulin response which will actually help me bulking. I was just wonderin if those other 2 factors i posted will hurt me.

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        • #5
          I don't see a disadvantage to drinking milk when bulking. It's a great way to increase calories and protein intake. I always use skim milk if I drink it, so there is no fat to worry about.

          The salt thing is another story all together, for me anyway. I don't use a lot of salt, but that's just a personal preference.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by TooPowerful4u
            Its not a cutting diet though, its a bulking diet. I could care less about the simple sugars, i dont put on fat if i tried. As far as im concerned, the simple sugars will create a bigger insulin response which will actually help me bulking. I was just wonderin if those other 2 factors i posted will hurt me.
            The sodium will likely lead to water retention, which generally can help with strength, as well as pumps in the gym. PL'ers go for the water retention for the strength that it bring. (Think anadrol, for instance.)

            The "bad" fats will tend to lead to insulin resistance. Ideally you would have more healthy fats in there, but if its at the expense of eating enough food to get you growing, the saturated fats may be a necessary evil.

            It doesn't sound like you're really loading up on the sat. fats (breaded and fried stuff and tons of red meat), so I wouldn't worry too much (unless you have high BP, high blolod chol. or a poor lipid profile, family Hx of heart disease, etc.)

            Just EAT!!!!!

            -R
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            • #7
              Re: Will these factors hurt my bulking diet?

              Originally posted by TooPowerful4u
              Id like to start off by saying, I hold 12% bodyfat no matter what I eat. Putting on fat isnt a worry for me.

              1. I like to have a very high sodium diet. I like to salt my eggs and rice. I also love snacking on salted peanuts when bulking. Tuna is a biggie also. Tons of sodium in my diet. Can it hurt?

              2. Will a diet high in fats hurt me also? I will be getting my 350-400g protein, and 550-600g carbs in per day. I eat a high fat diet when bulking also though. 6 whole eggs for breakfast, lots of peanuts and natural peanutbutter, drink a lot of milk, etc… Its not a lot of healthy fat in there, but will that hurt my bulking diet at all?
              Actually your fats look okay...it is the TRANS fats that are terrible-margarine for example, chips, FF, etc. Anything that is hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated....

              IMO milk, eggs, tuna are good foods. I eat tons of red meat...usually at least 1 pound per day. Just can't beat the b vitamin content, creatine (not much in each serving) and the protein.
              I aviod most fried foods...lots of homocystiene in fried foods...a major player in heart disease.
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              • #8
                Sounds good to me. I dunno about skim milk, but i drink 1%, so thats not AS bad as regular. I drink half gallon per day.

                Glad to hear the sodium isnt gonna hurt me, i love my salt lol.

                Now bread is gonna hurt me? I eat 3 slices with my eggs in the morning (bulking), love my PB n J sandwiches, or my grilled cheese.

                Now last question is... will chocolate, cookies, or icecream HURT my bulking at all? I could care less if they have a chance to make me fat, i just dont want to hinder my muscle gains. I always get my healthy food in throughout the day, and make sure i hit my nutritional intake need as far as protein and carbs, but i love snacking in between meals on shit.
                I always figured, who cares if it can make me fat (cuase i never can gain fat anyway), its extra calories on top of what im takin in already to help feed my muscles and help them grow. I know it sounds funny, but when i have a lot of chocolate or cookies RIGHT before a workout (with my preworkout shake) i have a lot more energy and can work out for hours full steam and not wanna stop. Unlimited energy and adrenaline. If i dont have some junk with my preworkout shake, i feel less energised. Maybe its in my head.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by homonunculus
                  I don't want to make ya nauseous, so maybe pasting some of this info. would be cool. If its over at PM, I'll go dig it up.
                  There were like several pages related to drinking milk and "bodybuilding" at the old Fina Board back when Animal was an active member (he got kicked off most other boards and only posted at Fina board - prior to his own board).

                  I'm confused, but that's real easy to do I thought that simple sugars like sucrose and lactose were disaccharides?!?!

                  Swolecat was a mod at Fina - GotFina and has his own board. He's an accomplished bodybuilder and trainer.

                  My point was that you can drink milk, but if you're bodybuilding it's counterproductive. I knew that people were going to bring up "I drink non-fat" and as I stated, it's not the point.

                  You may have a high metabolism still Randy (esp since you don't do cardio)!!! I look at simple sugars and they go right to my mid-section!! My goal is to continue to gain muscle - with minimal fat. What happens when you gain too much fat, then decide to lose the fat, you lose too much muscle - nice viscious/useless cycle. So - that's my point, I don't try and get big (read fat) off-cycle as I just lose way too much when dieting it off.

                  In North America, we are one of the few countries in the world that consider "milk" a staple for adults! Milk is for babies. In Europe, a liter of milk is considered a large quantity. There were a ton of posts that talked about diseases and other health-related problems by MANY. There were several people who talked about how "this-and-that" problem went away after they quit drinking milk. I just wish I would've save that thread!

                  xcel
                  Last edited by xcelbeyond; 03-19-2004, 05:20 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: Will these factors hurt my bulking diet?

                    Originally posted by SuperSport
                    Actually your fats look okay...it is the TRANS fats that are terrible-margarine for example, chips, FF, etc. Anything that is hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated....
                    Amen brother!

                    Try and find a Protein Bar that doesn't have any Trans Fat!!!

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                    • #11
                      Nobody seems to be catchin the one thing i keep sayin. I cant put on fat no matter WHAT i do. Im NEEVVERRR over 12% in my life, and i used to eat like SHIT. Im not worried about gaining fat what so ever, even slightly. If its only extra calories thats gonna help feed my muscles and help me gain, then il do it. I just wanted to make sure there werent any factors that will limit my MUSCLE gains in eating these foods.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TooPowerful4u
                        Nobody seems to be catchin the one thing i keep sayin. I cant put on fat no matter WHAT i do. Im NEEVVERRR over 12% in my life, and i used to eat like SHIT. Im not worried about gaining fat what so ever, even slightly. If its only extra calories thats gonna help feed my muscles and help me gain, then il do it. I just wanted to make sure there werent any factors that will limit my MUSCLE gains in eating these foods.
                        Do as you like on the milk.

                        Ya better listen to the advice here on trans fat though - it's for your health, not bbing. They're beggining to find that trans fat is the root of heart disease and possibly more - NOT just "any fats"

                        xcel
                        Last edited by xcelbeyond; 03-19-2004, 05:17 PM.
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