Coffee

[GetnBigr]

coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee
java, java, java, java, java, java


flyin high on the mocha expressway this morning....3 cups and counting

[Heckman]

Re: Coffee

Originally posted by GetnBigr
coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee
java, java, java, java, java, java


flyin high on the mocha expressway this morning....3 cups and counting

What else is in the coffee

[GetnBigr]

T3
followed by a few stacker 2's (waiting Lipo 6 and Yohimbine HCL to arrive). Then it will go as KR instructed:

Yohimbine HCL first thing
T3 a little later
Lipo 6 a little later than that ( and a few other times throughout the day)

[Heckman]

Originally posted by GetnBigr
T3
followed by a few stacker 2's (waiting Lipo 6 and Yohimbine HCL to arrive). Then it will go as KR instructed:

Yohimbine HCL first thing
T3 a little later
Lipo 6 a little later than that ( and a few other times throughout the day)

Just checking

[saturn]

That reminds me I haven't had my coffee this morning. Maybe that's why I don't feel quite right.

Be right back. Coffee break.

[GetnBigr]

Originally posted by saturn
That reminds me I haven't had my coffee this morning. Maybe that's why I don't feel quite right.

Be right back. Coffee break.

I'm thinking about making another pot!!!! You know, get another kick before the gym. It's leg day, I'll need it.

[SuperSport]

What kind of coffee do you guys like?

I am going to start drinking it very soon....I want something kind of smooth..any suggestions?

[GetnBigr]

Originally posted by SuperSport
What kind of coffee do you guys like?

I am going to start drinking it very soon....I want something kind of smooth..any suggestions?

Folger's Classic Roast Medium is very smooth. I'm not a hard core coffee guy that likes it in motor oil consistency, so this should be a good for you to try.

[saturn]

Originally posted by SuperSport
What kind of coffee do you guys like?

I am going to start drinking it very soon....I want something kind of smooth..any suggestions?

My wife insists on buying espresso beans. She grinds them really fine and brews the coffee. It's strong enough to burn the hairs in your nasal passage.
I prefer a nice Kona or smooth bean like that. I only get whole beans. I love that smell in the morning.

[da_Fonz]

Here's an article at one of the other sites i belong to, thought you want to read this:

Coffee Drinkers Beware!

While there were several interesting topics presented, including a lecture given by a MD/PhD and research superstar Wim Saris who confirmed all of my incessant ramblings about the value of protein and amino acids with glucose and maltodextrin in a post-workout drink, the topic I found most interesting was the research presented on caffeine/coffee and insulin sensitivity.

For a while now I've been cautioning my colleagues about the ill effects caffeine and typical thermogenic agents have on insulin sensitivity. Well, at the University of Guelph they've been investigating this issue intensively and here's what they found:

1) Caffeine intake (in all of its forms) decreases whole body glucose disposal (carbohydrate uptake) by 15-30%.

2) Caffeine intake decreases skeletal muscle glucose disposal by 50%.

3) When consumed with a standard carbohydrate breakfast, caffeine decreases insulin sensitivity, leading to large increases in blood insulin. But even in the face of this insulin surge, blood glucose doesn't disappear at a normal rate. When the body can't take up carbohydrates properly (as when drinking coffee), it releases loads of insulin to help out. However, the coffee actually prevents the insulin from doing this job and you end up with high insulin and glucose. That, my friends, is the serum profile of the obese, type II diabetic.

4) Caffeine decreases insulin sensitivity for at least three hours. I speculate that it's at least five hours, the half life of caffeine.

In this case, many people are probably walking around all day with impaired insulin sensitivity. If you're a coffee drinker you should realize that you're living your life like a diabetic except during the times that it could actually be diagnosed. When you go to the doc to see why you're so fat or you feel like crap (if you have any glucose or insulin tolerance problems), what do you have to do? You have to fast overnight and avoid coffee! So 99% of your waking life you're functionally diabetic and that 1% of the time when it really matters and can be diagnosed, you're not. No wonder experts suggest that 50% of North Americans are diabetics who aren't diagnosed as such.

5) In one study, four groups were used to evaluate the effect of caffeine and glycemic index on insulin sensitivity.

• The first group got decaf and a low-GI breakfast. They saw a normal blood glucose and insulin response.

• The second group got decaf and a high-GI breakfast. They saw a bigger insulin and glucose response in the blood.

• However, when the low GI group got regular coffee with breakfast, their blood profile was worse than that of those who got the high-glycemic breakfast and decaf. Therefore coffee/caffeine can turn a low glycemic meal into a high glycemic meal!

• Finally, the group that drank coffee and had the high-glycemic meal ended up looking like diabetics.

6) One interesting hypothesis generated at the seminar was as follows: In terms of insulin sensitivity, caffeine alone is worse than coffee and obviously (as seen above) coffee is worse than nothing. However, some people believe that certain substances in coffee (specific quinides) can actually increase glucose disposal and improve insulin sensitivity. While the quinide content of coffee isn't strong enough to counter the effects of the caffeine, the quinides in decaf coffee may actually increase glucose and insulin tolerance. This hypothesis still needs to be tested and proper doses have yet to be discussed; however, keep your eyes out for this research in the near future.

So the final word on coffee and caffeine is this — stay the heck away from it! The only way to minimize the damage it causes may be to drink your coffee with a very low carbohydrate meal and eat only low carb meals for the next few hours after your coffee intake. I know, I know, it now sucks to be a coffee drinker! But giving up your java may bring you some great health and physique benefits.

[jipped genes]

Originally posted by saturn
That reminds me I haven't had my coffee this morning. Maybe that's why I don't feel quite right.

Be right back. Coffee break.

i dont function well without coffee. i would tear the head off a bear if i was messed with before my 2 cups of coffee 2 splendas and skim milk. i am a grunpy bastard

[SuperSport]

Originally posted by da_Fonz
Here's an article at one of the other sites i belong to, thought you want to read this:

Coffee Drinkers Beware!

While there were several interesting topics presented, including a lecture given by a MD/PhD and research superstar Wim Saris who confirmed all of my incessant ramblings about the value of protein and amino acids with glucose and maltodextrin in a post-workout drink, the topic I found most interesting was the research presented on caffeine/coffee and insulin sensitivity.

For a while now I've been cautioning my colleagues about the ill effects caffeine and typical thermogenic agents have on insulin sensitivity. Well, at the University of Guelph they've been investigating this issue intensively and here's what they found:

1) Caffeine intake (in all of its forms) decreases whole body glucose disposal (carbohydrate uptake) by 15-30%.

2) Caffeine intake decreases skeletal muscle glucose disposal by 50%.

3) When consumed with a standard carbohydrate breakfast, caffeine decreases insulin sensitivity, leading to large increases in blood insulin. But even in the face of this insulin surge, blood glucose doesn't disappear at a normal rate. When the body can't take up carbohydrates properly (as when drinking coffee), it releases loads of insulin to help out. However, the coffee actually prevents the insulin from doing this job and you end up with high insulin and glucose. That, my friends, is the serum profile of the obese, type II diabetic.

4) Caffeine decreases insulin sensitivity for at least three hours. I speculate that it's at least five hours, the half life of caffeine.

In this case, many people are probably walking around all day with impaired insulin sensitivity. If you're a coffee drinker you should realize that you're living your life like a diabetic except during the times that it could actually be diagnosed. When you go to the doc to see why you're so fat or you feel like crap (if you have any glucose or insulin tolerance problems), what do you have to do? You have to fast overnight and avoid coffee! So 99% of your waking life you're functionally diabetic and that 1% of the time when it really matters and can be diagnosed, you're not. No wonder experts suggest that 50% of North Americans are diabetics who aren't diagnosed as such.

5) In one study, four groups were used to evaluate the effect of caffeine and glycemic index on insulin sensitivity.

• The first group got decaf and a low-GI breakfast. They saw a normal blood glucose and insulin response.

• The second group got decaf and a high-GI breakfast. They saw a bigger insulin and glucose response in the blood.

• However, when the low GI group got regular coffee with breakfast, their blood profile was worse than that of those who got the high-glycemic breakfast and decaf. Therefore coffee/caffeine can turn a low glycemic meal into a high glycemic meal!

• Finally, the group that drank coffee and had the high-glycemic meal ended up looking like diabetics.

6) One interesting hypothesis generated at the seminar was as follows: In terms of insulin sensitivity, caffeine alone is worse than coffee and obviously (as seen above) coffee is worse than nothing. However, some people believe that certain substances in coffee (specific quinides) can actually increase glucose disposal and improve insulin sensitivity. While the quinide content of coffee isn't strong enough to counter the effects of the caffeine, the quinides in decaf coffee may actually increase glucose and insulin tolerance. This hypothesis still needs to be tested and proper doses have yet to be discussed; however, keep your eyes out for this research in the near future.

So the final word on coffee and caffeine is this — stay the heck away from it! The only way to minimize the damage it causes may be to drink your coffee with a very low carbohydrate meal and eat only low carb meals for the next few hours after your coffee intake. I know, I know, it now sucks to be a coffee drinker! But giving up your java may bring you some great health and physique benefits.

HHmmm. This is a complete 180 from what I received from the ADA...their study showed that individuals that drink 3-5 cups of coffee per day have a 50% less chance of developing diabetes. The study concluded that it is a very real possibility that the magnesium content of the coffee was the reason for improved insulin sensitivity.
Dr William Campbell Douglass, MD, National Health Federation "Doctor of the Year" 1985 also says to drink coffee...1 cup provides the antioxidant value of 3 oranges.

[Kidrok (Hop)]

Originally posted by GetnBigr
T3
followed by a few stacker 2's (waiting Lipo 6 and Yohimbine HCL to arrive). Then it will go as KR instructed:

Yohimbine HCL first thing
T3 a little later
Lipo 6 a little later than that ( and a few other times throughout the day)

I'm splitting my yohimbe now, 2 in the morning 2 in the evening, like it better that way.

[GetnBigr]

Originally posted by KidRok
I'm splitting my yohimbe now, 2 in the morning 2 in the evening, like it better that way.

what was your reasoning behind this? Was it just to keep a more even amount in your body throughout the day?

[Kidrok (Hop)]

Several reasons,
1) it is the recommended usage on the bottle, but I did it all at once so I could hit my body harder with a heavy dose, kinda shock the system....it was a bit rough.
2) originally when I tried it split the late day dose was effecting my sleep, now I have adapted to the effects better.
3) Randy backed this up and he knows his shit!