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    Judging by the number of web pages devoted to UFO's, let alone magazines, associations, newsletter groups etc, it would appear that there are a great many people who believe in the existence of UFO's. By UFO's I am referring of course not to unidentified flying objects, of which there are many, but to "flying saucers"- spacecraft from another planet. So why is it that so many people believe in them, when the vast majority of us have never seen one? One of the reasons perhaps is because of the huge volume of reported sightings from around the world. With so much 'evidence' it is hard to ignore the possibility that we are being visited by 'flying saucers'

    What do you think?
    SweatMachine
    (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen)

    That which we manifest lies before us.

  • #2
    I think you need carbs bro.
    Anyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right
    person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose,
    and in the right way, that is not easy.
    -- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)

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    • #3
      :boobies:
      Anyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right
      person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose,
      and in the right way, that is not easy.
      -- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)

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      • #4
        Just poking fun with ya, thats interesting...people that are very close to me have sworn to see one, plus the nieghborhood they were living in at the time had about 5 other people report it on that night and there was no evidence on the radar of any planes of gov't testing...I myself will have to see with my own eyes before I go believing people on that topic.
        Anyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right
        person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose,
        and in the right way, that is not easy.
        -- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)

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        • #5
          Theres alot of very credible people seeing shit, huh?
          SweatMachine
          (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen)

          That which we manifest lies before us.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SweatMachine
            Theres alot of very credible people seeing shit, huh?
            Seems like it, I still would have to see it to believe it.
            Anyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right
            person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose,
            and in the right way, that is not easy.
            -- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)

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            • #7
              Im out to lunch on my decision too......

              Seeing would be believing
              SweatMachine
              (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen)

              That which we manifest lies before us.

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              • #8
                I TRULY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM.. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IN LIFE ON OTHER PLANETS.. because i believe it is very arrogant to think that out of all the thousands of possibilities tha we are the only one.. that being said, i do not believe that they are coming here..if there is life that is so technologically advanced that they can even make it here to spy on us, then we are they seen at all?? what i mean is this.. why would they want to be seen and they surely have the ability to not be seen given the engineering it would take to even get here.. the famous scientist carl sagen one time said that if there are beings that are actually coming here from a "world" we have yet to discover, they are still far enough away that it would take a minimum of 100 years traveling the speed of light..not real plausible.. that being said.. einstein once commented that if they exist it would only be possible through time travel.. in other words, they are us many years in the future.. we are spying on ourselves...most i believe are nothing more than secret military craft that happens to be seen..many can not explained..but, to jump to the conclusion that they are beings from other planets spying on our poor souls, is pretty far fetched.. in essence, the problem is that there is really no proof..no bodies..no space craft..and the vast majority of people who say that they have seen them or have been "abducted" are those who are probably not very reliable..it is kindsa like bigfoot.. the people that they interview usually are those that we would not pull over to get directions from lol.. BUT, TOMORROW A UFO COULD LAND ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN AND PROVE ME WRONG..

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                • #9
                  I agree with you, but...
                  some could say the same about certain religious beliefs.
                  SweatMachine
                  (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen)

                  That which we manifest lies before us.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SweatMachine
                    I agree with you, but...
                    some could say the same about certain religious beliefs.
                    ahh jeez, lets not go there please.
                    Anyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right
                    person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose,
                    and in the right way, that is not easy.
                    -- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)

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                    • #11
                      yea, too big a can of worms....
                      SweatMachine
                      (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen)

                      That which we manifest lies before us.

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                      • #12
                        well, now that you pried the lid open lol .. lets ask this.. what would happen to religion as we know it if ufo's are proven to exist..?? and you are right.. religion is based on faith.. much like many people who are avid ufo's "hobby-ists" they just "believe"..no proof required..

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                        • #13
                          Aha, a superb thread for discussion and argument and all that kind of a-hollerin!! First, let's assume for argument's sake there was life on Mars. We have two probes up there that might as well classify as UFO's to those merry green Martians. Two UFO's on one planet are not going to be seen by many people. So even if there is a rumor running around on Mars that UFOs have landed, most Martians are going to snigger in their couches and go back to watching Martian Superleague on their TV's. So would that mean we don't exist?

                          As regards religion and religious beliefs (and a mighty can of worms that is) there are many aspects of religions that most people either don't know or tend to mistake (as they are apt to do with most things were borderline knowledge is the norm). Take the Bible for example. Read the Genesis carefully (well why not anyway, when was that last time you read something good?). It says God created the Universe, and lists how he created it in 7 days. Oh, incidentally, most pooh-pahers of the Bible like to quibble on this 7 day crapola - let's keep in mind that the Bible was not written by Stephen Hawking and was not meant as a scientific text; in fact, numbers derived from Aramaic (the language that was spoken and written predominantly around the times the Bible was written) have a far different connotation than they have in English today. I digress, Biblical numerology is another huge topic entirely devoted to itself. However, at no point in the Genesis does it state specifically that humans were the ONLY "people" in the Universe. I am not sure how many people here have been students of Biblical text but the Bible has been written in a certain, very specific way (aforementioned pooh-pahers obviously never spent the time studying the Bible scientifically and learning exactly how it should be deciphered; that's kind of like getting a computer and just learning how to use its basic functions - you are never going to realize or understand its full potential or impact) which cannot be approached by either ignorance or bias. It is basically a case of "if you don't know it, don't talk about it".

                          OK, here is a little surprise for everyone. The "Bible" - or rather, the book that comes to mind of most when the word "Bible" is mentioned - is actually only a summary of all the Biblical texts available. It is just what was put into one single book by scholars of the religious texts as being the best and most concise info deemed releasable to the masses. If truth be told, Biblical texts are much more lengthy and numerous than what a simple look at the Bible will have you believe. Thus, even someone who has more than a passing knowledge of the commonly available "Bible" will only have an incomplete idea of what the Bible and its biblical texts is all about.

                          What's my point? My point is that people who want at all to argue about this subject should never argue from a point of partial ignorance (or any kind of ignorance for that matter). They may believe in what they have to say but conclusions based on ignorance of any degree will only result in ignorant opinions. Which is why I find most people with negative views of religion, Christianity, the Bible etc etc tend rather irritating - to put this into context for all of us, it is like meeting that fat dude in the gym who is trying to teach you how to train properly because he read an article on his Frito-encrusted, one year old copy of Men's Health. He probably thinks that he is a world authority on the subject because he read that magazine - don't we know different? It's exactly the same thing - you cannot have a correct - or at least educated - opinion unless you investigate a subject thoroughly. So if anyone is going to argue about something, make sure you know your facts properly and deeply because you are going to look pretty foolish if you argue with someone that really knows what they are talking about.

                          I digress. :p My point? Certainly, here you go. Get yourselves down to a (good) library and look up the Books of Enoch (which are certainly part of the unreleased Biblical texts. They were not released in the final copy of the Bible because it was feared they might cause great confusion amongst believers (as we can see from here the reason why would be obvious, most people are not able to absorb certain situations). Why? Because, by no great stretch of the imagination, they describe what is almost exactly a contemporary description of "aliens" and "alien spaceships" visiting earth.

                          Oh and by the way, statistically, it is impossible that we are the only intelligent (???) lifeform in the Universe. I won't go into the physics of this (believe me, I could, ) but get yourself informed and discover why the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of there being other "beings" out there to rival and very probably supersede our culture (???).

                          Let the intelligent think from this point on. Nuff said!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by IM^

                            Let the intelligent think from this point on. Nuff said!
                            Well, that leaves me out.

                            I will gladly follow the discussion, though.

                            Skip

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                            • #15
                              You got to the bottom of my post without any help Skip so stop being coy and join in. Let's arg...I mean, let's debate this one out.

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