zoloft.....

[Tyson23]

Anyone here ever taken it before?? I have been having a case of social anxiety for quite some time and i finaly went to a doc and he gave me some. He assured me that its not like other anti depress. and the sexual sides arent nearly like the others.... but im very hesistant to start since sexual sides dont sound fun lol. Anyone have any experience with this .... and another quick questoin anyone tried the cialis from KC any feedback from them as a company and that specific product. Might as well prepare for a side effect looks like cialis is the best stuff lol

[Vegeta]

The Doc is full os s*it ! I was put on that crap a few years ago and it KILLED my sex drive. And I think it made me feel even worse then before I started it. But everyone is differant bro . It's kinda like gear . What works great for some might not for others. It might work for you . Give it a try and find out. Good luck bro ! Peace !

[Tyson23]

man now im scared lol

[Heckman]

I got to chime in here...But these damn MD"s are so fast to prescribe this Trash it just pisses me off to no end..Did he ask you about the underlying causes of why you feel like you do? Did he ask you if you were taking any aspirin, herbs, vitamins or other nonprescription products. Before he gave this to you?
Forget the sexual side effects...be more concerned over the long term use of this crap, what it may do to your body and your mind!
If you haven't already, please read the warning and other drug interactions this stuff may have before you make your decision to take it...
Our MD's give this stuff out like candy, as soon as they here the word depression or anxiety...its here you go! had to vent here! sorry!

[Tyson23]

i agree heckman... but honestly he did ask me what it might be and i have no idea. I honestly dont have ethe type of anxiety where im dont leave the house or anyting like that lol i go out with buddies clubs, bars ect ect... but just have found myself havning anxiety when it comes to meeting new pepole or just being in akward situation. I have found myself sweating very very very badly... at first i thought it was nothing but then i realized how many new pepole have i met in the last year or two and idt hasnt been many. I have alot of friends but i seem to only be ok with pepole im comfortable with. Im pretty positive i do have a slight issue but just dont know what it is. My doc even told me my case is mild and di should just take half the dose every day 25mg instead of 50mg... but then again ive talkeda nd heard of pepole taking up to 200mg a day. And all the research ive done has shown that its not addicting and you can come off it with no problem. Any input would be great. Sorry for rambling i know theres alot more then just sexual sides lol but it is something i was concerned with. But if anyone has every had or know anyone that has anxiety like im speaking of please chime in

[Heckman]

I will recommend a book to you that I use and it has helped me help lots of people I know stay away from scripts..You may want to get it to educate yourself and those you care about, from taking something that our MD"s dispense like candy..It's called "Worst Pills, Best Pills." It is a consumers guide to avoiding drug induced death or illness. What is your age if I may ask?

[Tyson23]

24... and one of the main reasons its gotten to the point i wanted to see a doc is i finished college and its time for to start going on job interviews and interacting with new people... the thought of it is realy just making me nausious lol... i definetly have a slight case of social anxiety disorder but maybe drugs arent the thing, but knowing where this is stemming from would be nice.

[Heckman]

This seems to happen to younger people quite often..I know I was the same way at that age and then all of a sudden here I am at 46 and I'll talk to anyone...I love talking to people...I don't recall ever doing anything about it..I guess I just grew out of it... But it sounds as though its a little more serious in your case...not a fun thing I know..

[Tyson23]

yea , if it had just been a few cases of me being nervous then i would never go to a doc or even second guess it.... but its been some time that ive noticed this and ive taken a few tests online as well and i do have it to some extent. But now im very iffy about taking medications but i was told zoloft isnt nearly as bad at the other anti-depressants. I just dont konw any other options besides this.

[SuperSport]

I got to chime in here...But these damn MD"s are so fast to prescribe this Trash it just pisses me off to no end..Did he ask you about the underlying causes of why you feel like you do? Did he ask you if you were taking any aspirin, herbs, vitamins or other nonprescription products. Before he gave this to you?
Forget the sexual side effects...be more concerned over the long term use of this crap, what it may do to your body and your mind!
If you haven't already, please read the warning and other drug interactions this stuff may have before you make your decision to take it...
Our MD's give this stuff out like candy, as soon as they here the word depression or anxiety...its here you go! had to vent here! sorry!

Heckman speaks the truth. I feel exactly the same way. Every drug has sides....what good is a pill that MAY alleviate one symptom but causes 3 or 4 new ones?

Tyson...I would recommend counseling before any of these pills. That stuff could upset your brain chemistry or something.

[Tyson23]

yea you both are right..... i just feel really awkard going back to him saying that i dont want this i want counseling instead its like going against what he offered. But then again its my choice, so i will figure something out. If anyting i was gonna take half the does which is really nothing like 25mg a day... most are up to ike 150-200mg a day. But i will opt to talk to a specialist before i let my family doc just say take these.... Thanks for the help guys i apprecaite it. I was real hesistant to post something like this at first but you guys were great thanks

[In-Human]

IH's Gal here: using his log in cause my laptop isn't working right now.

MD's only treat the symptoms of social anxiety (i.e rapid heart beat, lack of concentration, shallow breathing - the physical part). What you might want to consider is seeing a therapist who treats anxiety disorders. They will be able to help you with the worry and fear. Quick fix is try some really deep breathing. Sounds stupid but can really help. Won't take it away but can help you focus on something besides fear. Meds can help take the edge off but you really need to treat the problem behind it. This is a huge problem for a lot of people and there are lots of books you can buy for anxiety. Remember meds aren't meant to be taken for a lifetime, this can be controlled with therapy and other means. Try the meds for a month and see how you react. If you don't like the side affects then go back to the MD and try again. There are tons of meds to take you just have to find the right one for your body. Kind of like finding the right diet and training problem. Everyone is a little bit different. Whatever you do, don't go on and off the meds every few days. This will mess you up even more.

I guess I will get off my soap box now. Sorry for this long winded post. I am a MFT Therapist so I hear about this all the time so I'm not just blowing smoke. This is something you can treat!!!

[Tyson23]

Thank you for the post... lately ive been feeling really depressed and down becuase i know this is a issue i need to address but telling someone about it is very tuff. I have not told my parents or any friends. No body really has a clue but its time i do something about while im young becuase i can picture it only getting worse. I am going to shoot for half the dosage requirements just to see how i act on it and i alreayd have a check up in 3weeks with the doc and will take it from there. Its just realy odd to me for me to have as many friends as i do and for me to go out to clubs and bars 2-3nights a week to have this problem but i do and i cant explain it. Thanks for all your support and feedback im a member on a few boards and i have to say since i signed up here i havent been to another board lol I love it. Thanks again

[SuperSport]

Tyson-You may want to try acupuncture before meds.....here is an article from the health forum...

Acupunture

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Acupuncture By Supersport

Acupuncture is one of the oldest forms of medicine as it originated over 5000 thousand years ago in China. It is based on the balance of Chi, the vital life energy present in all living organisms. According to acupuncture theory, Chi circulates in the body along 12 major energy pathways called meridians, each linked to specific organs and organ systems. There exists over 1000 acupoints in the human body.

The existence of the meridan system was further established by French researcher Pierre de Vernejoule, who injected radioactive isotopes into the acupoints of humans and tracked their movement with a special gamma imaging instrument (1).

Conditions benefited number over 100, and some are migranes, sinusitis, colds, tonsillitis, asthma, addictions, myopia, ulcers, gastrointestinal disorders, tennis elbow, sciatica, and more.

Acupuncture is very beneficial in pain relief as it stimulates the release of endorphins and encephalin, the body's natural pain killing chemicals (2).
David Eisenberg, MD, Clinical Research Fellow at Harvard medical School states that , "There is evidence that acupuncture influences the production and distribution of a great many neurotransmitters and neuromodulators, and that this in turn alters the perception of pain" (3)
In one study of over 20,000 students at UCLA , acupuncture reduced both the severity and the frequency of muscle tension headaches and migraines (4) Another study of 204 patients suffering from chronic pain resulted in 74% experiencing significant pain relief 3 months after acupuncture treatment (5).

But the most impressive case I came across involves acupuncture as a substitute for surgical anesthesia. This is absolutely incredible if I may say so myself.

In 1979, Dr. Eisenberg was invited to the Beijing Neurosurgical Institute in China to witness and assist in a major surgical operation carried out using only acupuncture for the relief of pain.

The patient was a 58 year old male with a brain tumor located under his pituitary gland. The neurosurgeon, Dr. Wang Zhong-cheng recommended acupuncture analgesia because it had much fewer side effects than other anesthetics. Throughout a four hour procedure, where the patient had a portion of his skull removed to reach the tumor, the patient remained fully conscious, alert, and awake. He only received a mild sedative, and the acupuncture consisted of the insertion of 5 needles attached to a low voltage battery. The patient felt no pain, and his pulse and blood pressure remained stable throughout the operation. When the surgery was complete, the patient stood up, thanked the surgeon, and walked out of the operating room without help(6).

The Beijing clinic performs 90% of its head and neck operations using acupuncture analgesia, instead of traditional anesthesia in the US.
It is important to realize that here in the US there are thousands of people that die from traditional anesthesia due to complications. Not only is human life lost, but the cost for anesthesia for surgery is several thousand dollars.

I go to an acupuncturist about 4 times per year as a preventative to keep my meridians clear, and I pay about 60 bucks per visit. You don't have to be a mathematician to figure out that billions of dollars and thousands of lives could be saved by using acupuncture where possible in surgery, not to mention the lost work time also during post surgery. I have never heard of anyone just getting off of an operation table after brain surgery and use of anesthetics and walking out of the hospital. Imagine the fiscal relief of insurers and patients if this type of treatment would be used.
I am a patient of acupuncture, so I am very familiar with the procedure. The needles used are as fine as hair, and you feel no pain. Sometimes the acupuncturist puts on right in the crown of my head, and again I feel nothing. A session lasts about 45 minutes.

Hopefully one day in the not to distant future acupuncture will become a major utensil in the treatment of pain, anesthesia, and a wide variety of disease.


1) De vournejoul,P.;et al. "Study of acupuncture Meridians using Radioactive Tracers." Bulletin de L' Academie Nationale de Medicine (oct 22, 1985):1071-1075

2) Chatfield,K.B. "The Scientific Basis of Acupuncture" The Textbook of Natural Medicine,ed Pizzorno,Seattle Wash.: John Bastyr College publications, 1988.

3) Eisenberg,D:Encounters with Qi:Exploring Chinese Medicine. 2d ed. New York: Penguin Books, 1987, p 77

4) Millman, B "Acupuncture, Context and Critique" Annual Review of Medicine 28 (1977): 223 -236.

5) Cheung,J. "Effect of Electroacupuncture on Chronic Painful Conditions in General Medical Practice-a four Year's Study". American Journal of Chinese Medicine 13, 1985:33-38.

6) Eisenberg, D, MD. Ibid p68-74


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Follow up
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Somehow a topic becomes alive when the writer has actually participated in the process.

Just recently, another Harvard study regarding acupuncture took place. Radiologist Bruce Rosen and his team used MRIs {Magnetic Resonance Imaging] three times on 20 volunteers. The brain scan shows changes in blood flow and the amount of oxygen in the blood and was preformed before, during and after the acupuncture session.
They did the experiment by placing needles in the hand where it's linked to pain relief as shown in traditional Chinese medicine. When the volunteers began to feel their hands become heavy and blood flow decreased in certain areas of the brain, Rosen knew the acupuncture was working correctly.
Rosen claims that when there's less blood, the brain isn't working as hard and in effect, acupuncture is quieting down key regions of the brain. The specific brain areas affected are involved in mood, pain and cravings. Some studies have found that acupuncture is helpful in treating depression, addictions, pain and eating disorders.
Rosen also pointed out that the brain regions that are involved have a significant amount of dopamine, the reward chemical that surges in reaction to food, money, beautiful faces to cocaine. He hopes that research will show that the reduction in blood flow through acupuncture could lead to dopamine changes that will trigger a cascade effect which would release endorphins, the brain's natural pain-relieving and comforting chemicals.
More controlled research on pain and addiction patients is needed in order to provide proof.

Until Next Month,

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[SuperSport]

Acupunture can be used to stimulate the release of endorphins and other endogenous chemicals that may benefit you.

I would try everything possible before prescription drugs.

Here is some more info-you may be suffering from "malillumination" which is lack of natural sunlight. If you wear sunglasses, take them off for a few weeks. Sunlight is an essential nutrient and the eyes channel sunlight to the pineal gland-not to mention the skin reveives sunlight also. Perhaps the Langerhans cells of the skin act somewhat similar to chloraphyll in plants. This post was in regards to ADD...but malillumination could play a factor in depression and mood disorders. I have a huge post upcoming this week in regards to light therapies and SADD, mood disorders, etc. Here is something to chew on for a bit-

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hey all,
do any of you know about add/adhd. i have taken a couple of tests on the 0-100 scale and i keep scoring right around a ninety. i was going to see a doc, but i am worried about the stigma of having to release this info on job applications etc. i had talked to a friend that got tested and the doc said there was no way she could have it because she has a masters and is working on a PhD. i am in the same boat, (working on a PhD) but all the other signs say i have it. what do yall think?



Sorry to hear about this possible problem you may have.

I want to be clear that I am not a doctor and I am not telling you what to do-that would be unethical.

However, I can tell you what I would do. I don't think that is unethical.

If I was to get any testing done no matter what it is I would do such under an alias. Expensive, yes, but do realize that if it is filed on your insurance it will probably follow you forever. A health insurance rep that I had a conversation with at a holistic MD's office told me this himself-and he uses an alias and pays for everything out of pocket unless it is something "big".

I would see several docs and let them diagnose whatever they think without telling them what another doc said. That in itself could influence their decision.

Now....if I did have a problem before I introduced all of this chemistry into my body I would take a few steps. I have a disdain for pharmaceuticals and they would always be a last resort. Typically Rx drugs just mask symptoms and do not get to the root of the problem.
Rx companies have a great desire to get us all hooked on their products-just by masking symptoms that would mean I or anyone else would take this expensive drug probably for the rest of their life. While that is a fabulous business model it offers the patient no real value.

Let us take a look at what I would do if I was in such a situation.

First, I would locate an MD that had a nurse practitioner of Meridian Stress Assessment.
MSA is a proceedure that utilizes a computerized probe that locates acupoints (the very same ones used in acupuncture) and can measure "chi", the biological energy flow in the body. An analagy would be to imagine our body as a circuit board-this "chi" flows throughout meridians and channells keeping the body in a state of balance. MSA will detect any disturbances in this "chi".
MSA will also detect nutritional deficiencies and can be used to guage the body's response to herbs and Rx drugs-whether the body will embrace them or reject them. A person can customize a supplement program with MSA.

MSA will also detect food allergies which is an underlying cause of many diseases. MSA is much more accurate that a traditional blood test for food allergies-which if memory serves correct is an antibody test, which in many cases these antibody tests are wracked with problems (cross reactions, levels, etc)

MSA is cheap-usually 100 bucks or less will gwet you or me a 2 hour examination.

Next, I would look into chelation with the amino acid complex EDTA. We live in a toxic environment and we are full of heavy metals such as lead, cadmium, arsenic, etc. EDTA will bind to these metals and a human will excrete them via the urine. EDTA is FDA approved for metal poisoning and is non toxic-aspirin is about 5 times more toxic than is EDTA. I personally have had at least 20 EDTA-chelation treatments.
Heavy metals will cause immune disfunction and neurological imbalances among other things.

Now for the good stuff, lol.

IMO the chemistry era is over in medicine. Sure, we will always need drugs but the medicine of the future will involve physics much more so than chemistry. Unfortunately those that benefit from all of this chemistry (big pharma) tend to hold back the revolution that has occured in physics.

I have a keen interest in light therapy and have some info that may suprise you. I will have a much bigger post in the coming weeks in regards to light therapy, but here is a little to get us started.

Of course finding a physician that is well versed in biocybernetic medicine-recognizing the interrelatedness of all cells in the body-may not be the easiest thing to do.

Dr. Irving Geller, the Chairman for the Dept of Experimental Pharmacology at the Southwest Foundation for Research and Education in San Antonio, Texas, has shown that rats kept in the dark will develop alcoholism. This clinical condition, induced by keeping healthy light from the eyes, is called "darkness induced drinking phenomenon" Science, July 30, 1971

One of the true pioneers in light therapy is Dr. John Ott. Ott developed time lapse photography and has done some magnificent work with the effects of light on biological systems. To guage the importance of natural light on animals consider this-
Ott reported-

"You know, its common knowledge that when rats or mice are bred in captivity for laboratory experiments, the male has to be removed from the cage before the litter arrives, or he will cannibalize the young. But we found when you place the cages in natural sunlight or under our full-spectrum lights with radiation shielding, you do not have to remove the male. He will have a normal parental instinct and help take care of the young. I've taken the same pair of animals and moved them back and forth from natural to artificial light. Under the full spectrum lights they will be quite calm and manageable, but move them back under artificial fluorescent (UV deficient) for the next litter and the male will start attacking the young. Their response to the change occurs that fast."

Ott feels there could be a definate link between some chronic diseases and a lack of exposure to natural sunlight:

" I'm referring to what I call biological combustion. My studies have indicated that light is a nutrient, sililar to all other nutrients we take in through food, and that we need the full spectrum range of daylight. This is a fact long since proven by science. In 1967, a paper presented by three Russian scientists to the International Committee on Illumination said,"If human skin is not exposed to solar radiation for long periods of time, disturbances will occur in thre physiological equilibrium of the human system The result will be functional disorders of the nervous system and vitamin D deficiency, a weakening of the body's defenses, and an aggravation of chronic diseases"

That is a condition Ott calls "malillumination", a lack of necessary sunlight.

"Malillumination occurs when wavelengths are missing in various types of artificial light or are filtered from natural sunlight passing through window glass, windshields, eyeglasses (especially sunglasses). Those particular minerals and chemicals in ther individual cells of our bodies that would normally be metabolized by the missing wavelengths remain in the equivalent of darkness" In other words, Ott believes that energy can not be extracted from food materials if the proper wavelengths of light are not obtained to help break them down.

However-for our issues in this thread this may be the most interesting.

Ott's most controversial study concerned the effect of light on the behavior of children. A grade school in Sarasota, Florida, was equipped with Ott's full spectrum fluorescent lights in two windowless classrooms. Two other identical classrooms were equipped with the standard "cool white" fluorescent lights to be used as controls. Dr. Ott then measured the amount of activity or hyperactivity among the children by installing cameras for use in time lapse photography to observe the difference in the behavior of children under the two types of lights.
The cameras recording the activity of the children exposed to full spectrum lights recorded a marked decrease in hyperactivity among the children, with a definate calming effect and an increase in their attention span compared to those exposed to the "cool white" non-full spectrum bulbs. In particular, several extremely hyperactive children with "confirmed learning disabilities" calmed down completely and rapidly overcame their "learning disabilities" under the full spectrum light.

I have alot more to report on Ott's work at a later date...some impressive stuff.

Then there is the issue of the pineal gland. The pineal is a photoreceptor that receives light from the eyes. In many cases of elderly people that are ill the pineal is shifted off center, meaning that they are probably not actually receiving natural light in it's entirety.

We also have a thread here by Sachet in regards to Bioelectromagnetics that you may want to check out. Harvard University has done some impressive work in this field.

So...if I was actually diagnosed with ADD I would do the following-

eat a totally organic diet and use natural cleaning products

get tested by MSA

Consider EDTA chelation

Investigate bioelectromagnetics-perhaps even volunteer for a study if possible

order full spectrum lights for the home by calling Health Lighting at 800-557-5127 or 706-864-5127

I would also throw away my sunglasses....but I never wear those things anyway.

And...I have read in some of Dr. William Campbell Douglass' literature that UBI would more than likely be effective in SAD-and I would think there is a possibility that it would work in ADD.
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