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    This is way off topic from bb'ing and controversial for some, I know, but I was curious how many here have friends, family, or even personal issues with drugs or alcohol?? I have been affected by this, both drug addictions and alcohol addictions throughout my life. Not necessarily me, although I did go thru a spell of heavy drinking in my teens and 20's, but I have had MANY family members dealing with addictions for years, and some have even died as a result of their illness. It's gotten to the point with me that I will rarely even have a drink, because it sickens me so much to see what a drink can do to some people....I know that when I drank alot in my earlier years, I became a raving lunatic....I was def not a happy drunk, at all. After having some run ins with law enforcement and my wife (then girlfriend) giving me ultimatums, I decided to slow down, then after my alcoholic mother passed, I stopped altogether for awhile....I can drink a few here and there, but it's not something that I'm even interested in anymore....

    Anyone have anything to share? How you have been affected by these diseases? How you handled things? How your life was changed by this? Anythying?
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  • #2
    Interesting, albeit sensitive topic. I have a few friends, one in particular who is addicted to drugs and alcohol. He is over 1 year clean and sober and has started a Non-Profit called the Canadian Youth Golf Alliance to help At-Risk Youth who stand a chance of ending up where he did (check it out at www.canadianyouthgolfalliance.com).

    I'm interested in hearing thoughts on what addiction is. can you be addicted to something that affects your life positively? or are negative consequences what separates a pssion or hobby fropm an addiction? Obviously I'm speaking in a psychological sense as opposed to physiological, but if theres anyone here who's studied addiction, I;d be interested in hearing your 2 cents.
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    • #3
      Steel, I myself have not been been addicted to any kind of substances, but alcoholism has made a major impact in my life in the way of my father. Growing up, I cannot remember when he was not drunk. He coached several teams I was on and would come to games and practices intoxicated and repeated told me how I sucked and would never amount to anything. It still bothers me to this day...

      Once I got into high school things were a little better in terms of athletics, at least he wasn't my coach, but he lost his job and began drinking more and more and my mother supported our family. He became incedibly bitter and if I succeeded at something he would try to live vicariously through me. My mother kept enabling his behavior and would work and work and work only to hear my father yeal at her for never being home (she is a cardiological technician and works in the ER) and when my brother and I both went away to school my father vowed to clean himself up and secure a stable job (he wasn't able to hold a job for more than a few months) but after a few years of this my mother had enough and began the process of filing for divorce.

      During the whole divorce process my mother paid for my father'd bill and even moved out allowed my father to live in the house she was paying for! Lucky for my mom she found an incredible guy and has never been happier, and actually on Tuesday the divorce papers were finally signed and she is going to be able to move back into her house next month.

      Out of obligation and to just show that I am better person the he is, I call my father every couple of weeks but I will never again allow that man back in my life. He tore my family apart and hurt my mother to the point that I cannot offer him forgiveness.

      Rarely do I ever drink, perhaps a glass of wine here or there or a pint of Guiness if I am out with guys (but it has been quite some time since I had a drink).

      Thanks for allowing me to vent Steel and IM.... It kind of felt good to put my frustrations into words since this has been eating at me for a while.
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      • #4
        I'm certain that there are some addictions that may not always have someone ending up desperate, alone, and dying....My original post was more directed towards the effects of illicit drugs and alcohol...we could tie in so many other things though if you think about it....tobacco and other things like energy drinks could have detrimental effects on your health...Excessive tanning, etc.....this is like opening a can of whoop ass, it just could go on and on.....
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        • #5
          I'm lucky to be here today..Alcoholism runs neck deep in my family, whats left of us anyway. Clean & sober coming up on 17 years Memorial Day weekend...I own it!
          Heckman aka "WISE" OLD MAN

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          • #6
            I'm addicted to being dead sexy :boobies:

            Congratualtions Heckman, that is a big accomplishment.
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            • #7
              Just about everyone in my family is getting, or should I say they already are, hooked on pills. Vics, percs, oxy etc. When I got my wisdom teeth taken out the dentist gave me vicodin. That same day I have family members calling me wanting to buy them, or have me just give them away. I threw them away and dealt with the pain.
              I also grew up with an alcoholic, who would come home in the middle of the night, break doors, yell and start fights in the house. To this day, I still wake up at night to even the slightest noise. When I drink i get really happy, but some people in my family turn downright psychotic.

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              • #8
                I have been thru it myself but today have stopped. I had one friend die of an OD at 23, another at 35, and my friends wife around 30, and another die after being shot by the police while trying to drive away from a situation. All of this didn't make me stop. I only stopped when I had had enough.

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                • #9
                  Where do I begin? Alcoholism on both sides. Both of my father's parents, my Mom's father, my brother, my sister and even yours truly. My Dad drank himself into type 2 diabetes and is now on insulin. I have a drink now and then, but have to be very careful not to over do it. I'm one of those "1 is too many and 100 is not enough" guys.

                  I can relate with Mentalflex as far as the kid's sports thing goes. It was really embarrassing, and I vowed never to be that way with my kids.
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                  • #10
                    My mom suffered from an addiction with food, which flowed down to me and my older brother. It's not drugs, or alcohol, but to me I consider it an addiction most the same. My mom lost the battle last year, type 2 diabetes, liver problems, which lead to catastrophic organ failure. My older brother has all kinds of medical problems, quit his job, can barely walk, can't even get around with his little grand daughter or grand son. I'm combating this, and will hopefully end the streak of obesity in the family.

                    My middle brother was addicted to drugs, and was a heavy, heavy drinker. The term drinks like a fish applied to him greatly. In the end, also last year, it caught up with him. He passed away from an OD on pain killer, recreational drugs, and alcohol.

                    I enjoy a pipe (tobacco mind you) and a beer from time to time, but I never go to any extremes with it.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Heckman View Post
                      I'm lucky to be here today..Alcoholism runs neck deep in my family, whats left of us anyway. Clean & sober coming up on 17 years Memorial Day weekend...I own it!
                      You and I have spoken briefly about this before. That IS an awesome accomplishment for sure. What's funny is that in the times we've spoken you seem to be one of the most "together" people that I know....I would never have ever thought that there was a time when you were at the mercy of anything.....

                      Others in here have posted about their immediate family alcoholism. I surely thought that I had things somewhat rough growing up in an alcoholic family, but some stories I've heard thru the years make me feel like a had a cake walk....My parents were both raving alcoholics, abusive, both emotionally and physically, and it took me a very long time to work thru alot of issues that I had, and some I still have. I have found that even though I will still have a beer or two every so often, that I have a very low tolerance for people getting badly drunk around me....I have a rep in my town for being a bit of a hot head, and this spawns from incidents that I've had with people when they were drunk, and I was not....there were other incidents too, but that's another story...lol. I just find that I seemingly can't tolerate obnoxious behavior anymore. It bothers me to the point where I want to smash someone, and I really think it's from feeling helpless as a child, all those years ago. I'm not so helpless anymore, so I tend to react very quickly and not very rationally at times when I'm around this behavior....

                      I don't ever allow my kids to see me intoxicated.[EDIT: I don't remember the last time I WAS intoxicated...I think it was at my mother's memorial service....]This is something that I decided when we had kids, and was a decision I made due to seeing my parents almost falling down drunk, what seemed like every day.....I don't wanna do that to my kids. My mom used to pass out and my little sister would cry and get hysterical cause she thought she was dead. She wasn't old enough to know what drunk was, she just saw our mom lying on the floor or whatever....

                      My younger brother has had alot of issues with alcohol, as has my sister....my step dad is still alive and is still drunk every day from what I hear. We don't speak and haven't for about a year now, due to me coming out and confronting him about some shit from my childhood....

                      My older brother has had issues with opiates since he was in his early teens. He had a stretch of about 13 years clean, but since then, it seems like every year or so he falls and has issues....I just don't have enough education to understand how these things can grip someone, yet not grip others. Even seeing it my whole life, I still feel like I'm in the dark about it.....
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                      • #12
                        The closest I have come to addiction was with alcohol. However it was not a pure addiction as I used it as an escape mechanism when battling diagnosed PTSD and depression. Once I came to grips with those issues and learned how to manage them I became a much happier person that did not need to escape anything thus the excessive drinking went away without much effort. That said, I can see how you can easily come to rely on that bottle/pipe/pill to take you away.

                        On a slightly different note I have seen people both personally and professionally who have an addictive personality that does not discriminate against topics. Meaning if they drink, they drink a lot all the time. If the smoke, it's like a chimney. If it's adrenaline, then sky dive, bungee jump, race cars, etc. And even if one vice is conquered another seems to take it's place. IE. Conquering alcoholism only to become fixated on gambling that initially took their minds away from the bottle.

                        I would hazard a guess that many here have some addictive traits except it is more positively focused (at least for now. hopefully always).

                        And I commend anyone like Heckman who has overcome real addiction and stayed away or you Scott who made it a priority to avoid the potential for addiction. It requires life long management as you are always one slip up away and that has got to be one of the hardest things to do.

                        EDIT: I just saw the last line of your last post. That's why there are doctorate educated addiction specialists. Mental health is extremely complicated and extremely individual (duh right?). I think we know far less than we even think we know.
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                        • #13
                          Adam nail on the head. I too was diagnosed with PTSD and depression and I happen to be the type of guy that doesn't like dealing with or admitting he has problems so I quit taking medication.I've had addictions to endorphin rushes(the runners high, and no I didn't run or work out at the time) and I never became an alcoholic but I smoke like a god damned chimney. I'll quit for long periods of time but sometimes the stress builds up and then I buy a pack of smokes and the vicious cycle starts all over.

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                          • #14
                            Johnny,

                            What meds were you on if you don't mind me asking? I was on 2 different ones before giving them up as well. Then I had a terrible episode and went back. The NP put me on Paxil and even at a low dose I am better than I ever have been.
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                            • #15
                              I can only speak for myself and those I have known....that's a LOT of people.... I have not known one "addict" that was not using whatever substance they chose as an escape. We all did it cause we were in pain, hated life, hated ourselves, didn't think we deserved good things, etc... Hell watch a cpl episodes of "intervention" and tell me when you see one person that is not in PAIN and is not using their substance of choice to stop hurting or stop feeling at all. Sure someone can "drink to much"... A college kid goes to school and parties their asses off and if their life is normal, if they have nothing they are running from then they will graduate and have a normal life....drink at weddings, have beer when they watch a game. Have another kid that is running from something do the same and they will instead discover that they finally don't FEEL when they party....they will keep "partying".

                              It's not the substance, IMHO, but instead the circumstances. This is why I think AA has such a high failure rate. They tell them it IS the substance. If your miserable and stop doing drugs you will just be sober...and miserable.
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