Did you Know....?

[SweatMachine]

Muscles get more effecient at dealing with particular movements and levels of stress. Consequently, after about 8-12 weeks of doing any set of movements regularly, the muscle starts to LOSE strength, if you continue to do the exercise that originally built them.

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When you remain at a particular level of fat for a year or two, the body developes all the adipose cells, capillaries, enzyme counts peripheral nerves , hormones levels and connective tissue to support it.
It comes to recognize that level of fat as "self" and will defend it vigorously.

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Transdermal delivery of testosterone to the scrotum is far superior to testosterone injections.testosterone gels and patches used on the srctum can be used by an athelete right up to
a drug tested meet, because the conversion of testosterone to Dihydrotestoterone occurs in the scrotum thus serum level do not increase wildy, changin the Testosteront :Epitestosterone ratio

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Even Marginal potasium deficieency cause profound inhibition of growth and the release of growth hormone.

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The largest GH release occurs 30-60 minutes after falling alseep and DURING heavy exercise.

[homonunculus]

Originally posted by SweatMachine
Muscles get more effecient at dealing with particular movements and levels of stress. Consequently, after about 8-12 weeks of doing any set of movements regularly, the muscle starts to LOSE strength, if you continue to do the exercise that originally built them.

Sweat, where'd ya find this?...

-R

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Furthermore, wouldn't all that have fitted into 1 post? Oooh, prostitution is SO bad!!!

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Testosterone gels on the scrotum? Now this could be something the wife helps me with...she wont touch injects...

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Randy:

Reference: Dr. Michael Colgan
"Optimum Sports Nutrition"

[homonunculus]

Originally posted by SweatMachine
Randy:

Reference: Dr. Michael Colgan
"Optimum Sports Nutrition"

That explains it.

Not sure what is meant by doing a "set of movements," but this must make powerlifting really though. Those poor guys who like to bench, squat and deadlift all the time never get to, if they *really* want to get stronger...

-R

[SweatMachine]

I found his statement curious......
the book is an interesting read full of good info, but there's a few ideas he has that a little foriegn to me. If anything its fodder for a thread.

Maybe he is refering to performing movements without increased weight or resistance over a said period of time. If your not growing from new stimulation, what ARE you doing?

Hell, I dont know........

[tpc]

Originally posted by SweatMachine
Muscles get more effecient at dealing with particular movements and levels of stress. Consequently, after about 8-12 weeks of doing any set of movements regularly, the muscle starts to LOSE strength, if you continue to do the exercise that originally built them.

this statement is correct, but often times misinterpreted. in doing any set movement at the same consequent weight and rep amount. yes, your body will adapt and consequently "stop growing" for it needs not to grow anymore.

use a log book, hence why many do the same core exercises week in and week out with constant progression, because the "set movements" remains constant, but rep scheme and heavier weight remain progressive.

many people read the above statement and think, oh i must constantly be changing exercises, rep schemes, time under tension, weight etc, so I progressively get stronger or bigger. But, i think doing things in this manner is the main reason people ultimately fail in progressing forward in becoming stronger and attaining a body builders type body. you never see exactly where and how you should push yourself, when you do not have the proper history (log book) of constant exercises.

i see many people using the same general weight week in and week out, as they move from one new exercise to the next, and they are always staying constant, because they do not know the history of themselves and the particular movement, relative to the weight being moved.

tpc

[tpc]

Originally posted by homonunculus
That explains it.

Not sure what is meant by doing a "set of movements," but this must make powerlifting really though. Those poor guys who like to bench, squat and deadlift all the time never get to, if they *really* want to get stronger...

-R

humm, i believe powerlifters are so strong and progressive because they do, do the same bench, squat and deadlift day in and day out. unlike the guys changing all the time. they have a definite goal. ex. i moved this weight last time 5 reps at 500lbs. alright i need to get 6-7 reps this time.

this is impossible to do if you are alway changing exercises up. you never know what your set point is at and therefore are alway robbing yourself of really pushing yourself through to the next level. hence why all these guys stay constant month to month, year to year.

tpc

[homonunculus]

TPC,

I was being sarcastic in my comments r.e. powerlifters. LOL (Of course, they're good at bench, squat and deadlift b/c that's what they do. Specificity of training, Baby!)

My problem with the Colgan's statement is that is grossly generalized, but yet specifies that 8-12 weeks marks the timepoint of de-adaptation.

Also, his statement (I'm assuming that Sweat hasn't paraphrased too greatly) does not refer to *growth* but rather *strength*. I can only take this to mean the resistance exercise performance (generally a rep-maximum performance w/ a given weight or a 1RM) of the person. (Muscle strength, in isolation from the CNS and skeletal system is not directly testable in human subjects, unless they're will to undergo some major surgery.)

So, lets take a person who, at some point, performs a pyramiding bench press protocol (lets say 6 sets of 12,10,8,5,3 and 1 rep), each of which are maximum effort sets. Colgan is saying that if this person continues doing this for a couple months (same weight, same reps, same rest interval, etc.), that he will one day not be able to do what he has done weekly for 2-3 months. His performance will *decline,* according to Colgan.

So, interpreting the statement as directly as possible, I find Colgan's statement ridiculous b/c it obviously is false in many instances: The trainee who is young and still growing and maturing, a trainee who only wishes to maintain.

I agree wholeheartedly that you will become stale if you try to do the same program for 2-3 mo. and you will stop growing (not increase muscle size). I can see that an athlete who is training at a high level, bordering on overtraining and very used to frequently changing his / her program, becoming very stale and possibly de-apting w/o some periodization of training. However, I do not think there will be a devastingly LOSS of muscle size, if your "set of movements" involved maximum effort sets, UNLESS this "set of movements" constitutes under- or overtraining.

Again, this sentence, out of context, gives a specific 8-12 week value w/o the particulars (training experience, history, level, training intensity, volume, etc.) which make a HUGE DIFFERENCE and which would make the 8-12 week value meaningful for the reader.

And I def. agree without a doubt, you need to have records of what you've done (logbook) so you can come back to them and destroy previous bests. "If ya keep doin' what ya been doin', you'll keep gettin' whatcha been gettin'."

Sweat, do you have a page # for the quote?... (I have the book here at home.)

-R

[tpc]

Originally posted by homonunculus

So, lets take a person who, at some point, performs a pyramiding bench press protocol (lets say 6 sets of 12,10,8,5,3 and 1 rep), each of which are maximum effort sets. Colgan is saying that if this person continues doing this for a couple months (same weight, same reps, same rest interval, etc.), that he will one day not be able to do what he has done weekly for 2-3 months. His performance will *decline,* according to Colgan.

good post

this was pretty much the point i was trying to make. i don't necessarily disagree that most (not all) will see a decline (and definitely not progress) in performance/strength if the subject continues the same exercise, reps, weight etc. day in and day out. the point i was trying to make is i see most people doing just that. they do not know what last times weights or reps were for a specific exercise, or they jump around so much from exercise to workout style they never progress. because they ultimately are doing the same thing over and over, with only variance in exercise selection, and not allowing the body to become stronger.

tpc