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Old 09-28-2009, 01:35 AM   #1
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David Henry got SCREWED

Does anyone else here agree that David Henry got screwed Saturday night? English doesn't have the full,thick tris Henry has. English doesn't have the thick forearms and brachioradialis Henry has. English calves don't even compare to Henry's. English has high lats with high insertions, Henry's are full, hang down to his butt and are thick.
The only really thing in my opinion that Henry could improve on besides being a smidge tighter is he needs more hammies. But all in all I think the best 202 did not win last night. I'm sorry for you David Henry.
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:41 AM   #2
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If it were based on how he looked Saturday, then I would have liked to see Henry taken it. I have nothing against English mind you; I just prefer Henrys shape to English. Screwed, I don't know about that. What did he look like at the PJ? I didn't get a chance to see that. That could have been why things went the way they did.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:16 AM   #3
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I only saw the webcast on Saturday (they did not show the 202's on PJ-ing) and he could have been a little sharper. Fromt what I saw and heard, he was even less crisp on Friday. The same thing that made him lose in NY lost him the Olympia, it seems - conditioning.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:23 AM   #4
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I think David Henry should of won that myself.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:28 AM   #5
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i dont know guys it was farely close but then again i know kevin personally so im a little biased i guess haha
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:32 AM   #6
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Correa was the one that was robbed, in my opinion. I don't know what the judges see in Kevin English... his physique is very funky and his skin is "weird".

I would have placed it like this:
1. Correa
2 & 3. Henry or Dugdale
4 & 5. Lewis or English
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:32 AM   #7
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Does anyone else here agree that David Henry got screwed Saturday night? English doesn't have the full,thick tris Henry has. English doesn't have the thick forearms and brachioradialis Henry has. English calves don't even compare to Henry's. English has high lats with high insertions, Henry's are full, hang down to his butt and are thick.
The only really thing in my opinion that Henry could improve on besides being a smidge tighter is he needs more hammies. But all in all I think the best 202 did not win last night. I'm sorry for you David Henry.
I second this opinion!
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:14 AM   #8
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Correa was the one that was robbed, in my opinion. I don't know what the judges see in Kevin English... his physique is very funky and his skin is "weird".

I would have placed it like this:
1. Correa
2 & 3. Henry or Dugdale
4 & 5. Lewis or English
I think they see a tiny version of Ronnie. He does bring the freak factor.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:20 AM   #9
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I'll go against the grain and say that Dave was rightfully placed behind Kevin English. (Although i do agree with Shelby that Eduardo Correa should have won).

English won in the side poses. He has a better hamstring drop in those poses, and it makes his legs look bigger and more complete. Furthermore, i think Dave is shooting himself in the foot with his posing. In the side chest, he needs to pull his shoulder back to make his upper torso appear wider. Look at this picture, everyone else has their near-side shoulder pulled back and is showing off the SIDE OF THEIR CHEST in the side chest post.



The same can be said for the side tricep. It is obvious that Dave has the best upper body in this pose, but he doesn't pull his shoulder back, and as a result doesn't showcase his full potential. English appears to have a bigger chest and a tighter midsection in this pose (and this is definitely not the case)



In the back poses, I would call it dead even, with PERHAPS a slight edge to Henry. Henry has better hamstring separation and better back thickness, but English has better flow. English has much smaller, much more conditioned glutes, and this creates a more distinct X frame than what Henry shows. It makes his legs look larger, and makes his V-taper appear more extreme. It also appears English is leaning back into the poses more and flexing harder. Henry has superior thickness, but English is showing off greater detail.



In the front poses, I think English edges out Henry. The way he holds his legs in both poses makes them appear to be far superior to Henry's. This, once again, enhances his V-taper, and makes his waist look smaller and his lats look wider. It is obvious that Henry has superior density, but English is showing greater detail, better conditioning, and hitting the poses better.



I think it was close between the two, and that Dave Henry is indeed the better bodybuilder, but English did enough on the presentation and conditioning fronts to trump Henry's superior muscle size and thickness.

However, i still think Correa dominated the back shots and won the side shots. It was just his wide waist in the front poses that hurt him i believe.

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Old 09-28-2009, 10:24 AM   #10
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You need to post the callout comparisons with Correa, Flex Lewis, etc.

The ones you posted are not the top 5.

And compare the side view of English' leg to Dugdale's leg in all the poses above.

English really wins there?
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:41 AM   #11
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I was speaking as to why i thought English beat Henry. I thought Dugdale was phenomenal, and after i saw the pre judging picks i felt as if he had a respectable chance of winning as well. Dugdale was the most conditioned guy in the class, but had noticeably absent body parts. (i.e. quads and back width)

I was posting pics from prejudging, and i assumed that is where the majority of the scoring took place. To my knowledge, Dugdale, Henry, English, and Correa were not in the same call out in prejudging. If they were, i will respectably stand corrected.

Here is a picture from the night show, and i believe what i said above still stands. Correa dominates the shot, and Henry/English appear about equal.



And here's the shot that i think hurt both Dugdale and Correa. (And English edged out over Henry)

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Old 09-28-2009, 10:47 AM   #12
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I like Correa, I dunno if his legs are just shorter then his upper. But from the front his legs look a little shallow. But I agree Correa got robbed. But I also think Dugdale should have placed higher!!! When I think 202 class I think asthetic pleasing physique, symmtrey etc. English is a freak ya, but werid bodyparts thrown together...
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:54 PM   #13
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The 202 class is extremely tough to judge. I think the only screwing was the prize money. They need to chase up some more money for the 202 class.
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Old 09-28-2009, 03:33 PM   #14
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FWIW, I prefer Dave Henry's physique to Kevin English. By my reckoning that's 3-1 to Kevin English now so I hope Dave comes back to show what a class act we all know he is.

As a passionate Brit to have three of our guys in the 202 Class Mr O top ten makes me very proud. When Flex got his pro card, here in the UK we were expecting great things from him. Whilst he has time on his side, no doubt he will be gutted with his placing. For me, he looks really good from the front in the pics thestick posted but when he turns around it is night and day difference between him and Dave Henry. Flex needs some rugged terrain to compete in this tough tough class.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:17 PM   #15
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Does Dugdale have a torn right pec? Does anyone else see that?

Great shots you posted by the way, nice work! Awesome clarity on my labtop!
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:53 PM   #16
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nothing against any of the competition... Dave is an amazing bber..from the back he literally murders people..English...huge 202lber...I think Dugdale got the shaft in this group tho...
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Old 09-29-2009, 01:28 AM   #17
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I'm a big fan of Dave Henry....but I think Kevin English deserved the win. Dave has a TON of muscle...but IMO English just has freakish proportions and just looks huge and conditioned for 202. With Jay and Branch taking 1st and 2nd it would seem that freaks ruled the day at this years Olympia and I think English has more of the freak factor
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Old 09-29-2009, 01:34 AM   #18
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nothing against any of the competition... Dave is an amazing bber..from the back he literally murders people..English...huge 202lber...I think Dugdale got the shaft in this group tho...
well id have to agree with that i felt that Dugdale looked freakin amazing and was well put together, id have to agree with some one elses comment on English having Ronnie like traits though if saying that then that would make dave like Jay.
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Old 09-29-2009, 06:43 PM   #19
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Correa was the one that was robbed, in my opinion. I don't know what the judges see in Kevin English... his physique is very funky and his skin is "weird".

I would have placed it like this:
1. Correa
2 & 3. Henry or Dugdale
4 & 5. Lewis or English
Was actually going to post this. Either Correa or Dugdale first....I thought Dugdale looked nails too! Top 3...Dugdale, Henry, Correa could have went either way IMO.
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:11 PM   #20
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Lets get this correct and state some facts here:

Eduardo looked fantastic and the only thing that kills his win on this is his symetry and wide waist.

Mark Dugdale looked great as well, who knows why he did not get higher.

Kevin English is a MD athlete...period. Flawed structure and terrible skin are not championship material.

Dave Henry was the best man out that night overall and was told he was being judged on his last best condition, eventhough the judges and media writers admitted that English was off from the previous year. So how does that happen and he got beat by 23 points and come in off his last mark and beat an improved DH by 13 points?

Fact:
MD's Steve Blechman called DH to set up a photo shoot with Dave and when Dave declined...one strike against him.
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In NY, Blechman set up a photo shoot with Dave and then wussed out on the day of the shoot stating that Mtech got the schedule wrong...strike two
Fact:
Blechman called DH a week out from the Olympia and wanted to do a shoot with him and Kai and DH declined for personal reasons stated above...strike three!
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English trains at the same gym that a few of the judges train at and that those two judges were in the contest judge lineup...clear conflict of interest.

Now I don't like to state the obvious but it seems that politics and bullshit go hand in hand here.

Someone please continue on with how this is not a biased turnout?
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:27 PM   #21
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Im no judge, but from an "average Joe" point of view, DH had the best physique out there. English has a visually unpleasing physique. It has no flow to it at all and when next to the other competitors, well, he just looks inferior.

Thats my opinion. But I'm no pro.
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