You know what kinda pisses me off

[asim]

You know what kind of gets to me. People being classed in a certain group because of what they weigh.

I'm seeing it all the time. Its like a generalised statement. Like all guys over 200lbs being called meatheads. Like every guy who weighs a buck 60 must have the exact same story, the struggling teen who does a bulker/cutter bs crap and follows a new routine every month, looking up the new secrets in flex and thinks pounding down the junk food is gonna make them big.

I'm here to say generalised statements like that get to me. Its like ok all good and well I know that most guys 150-180 are gonna be those striving to be and are probably struggling and inexperienced. But not everyone is cut from the same cloth.

Its not always as simple as people make it out to be. I dont want to come out sounding like I'm bitching, whining, complaining or even look like an idiot. But for some of us its not jus as simple as once you've learned what it takes just apply it. I'm a guy who went from 240 to 140 and at 140 still holding enough fat not to see veins or seperation or even abs after that kind of fat loss. 5 years and I dont know how much muscle gain and even more fat loss later the progress shows. I firmly believe I've gained 35-40lbs of muscle yet still lie in that 160-170 range cause of the increased fat loss. So being in that buck 60, buck 70 range I'd be classed as an inexperienced guy afraid of gaining fat and having trouble gaining muscle right? Sometimes when you make big changes mental factors still stay the same and stop you from reaching your full potential.

I'm sorry if it sounds like a bitch or a rant, even a cry for which it most certainly is not. I just wanted to voice my thoughts and say that not everyone can be judged by what they weigh. A 200+lb guy may be intelligent, spit out well articulated sentences and be extremely well mannered/well spoken. And 160lb guy may not be just another wannabe.

Asim

[Doggcrapp]

I suppose this is directed to me and you have a valid point. I use "a buck 70" in reference to a generalization of the typical "know it all" young bodybuilder on bb.com that truly doesnt know it all. It is what it is, a generalization of a certain group.

I apoligize to anyone who is in that weight area when I say "a buck 70" --again its a generalized notion-- kind of like when I see urban white kids trying to be all ghetto and black and I think "ok snoop trevor trev"

Hey Ive referred to myself as "big daddy smooth" many a time in the offseason when I let myself get too heavy, so I guess it goes both ways.

Derik Farnsworth is a freind, Deriks about 170lbs and I sure as heck dont think of Derik at all when I talk about "a buck 70 guys"---I think of a highly advanced bodybuilder who would embarrass alot of guys onstage in the abs and thighs pose. So asim I apoligize to you if i struck a nerve--I didnt mean to encompass everyone in those statements--I felt it was a given who I was talking about

[Khan]

Originally Posted by asim

You know what kind of gets to me. People being classed in a certain group because of what they weigh.

I'm seeing it all the time. Its like a generalised statement. Like all guys over 200lbs being called meatheads. Like every guy who weighs a buck 60 must have the exact same story, the struggling teen who does a bulker/cutter bs crap and follows a new routine every month, looking up the new secrets in flex and thinks pounding down the junk food is gonna make them big.

I'm here to say generalised statements like that get to me. Its like ok all good and well I know that most guys 150-180 are gonna be those striving to be and are probably struggling and inexperienced. But not everyone is cut from the same cloth.

Its not always as simple as people make it out to be. I dont want to come out sounding like I'm bitching, whining, complaining or even look like an idiot. But for some of us its not jus as simple as once you've learned what it takes just apply it. I'm a guy who went from 240 to 140 and at 140 still holding enough fat not to see veins or seperation or even abs after that kind of fat loss. 5 years and I dont know how much muscle gain and even more fat loss later the progress shows. I firmly believe I've gained 35-40lbs of muscle yet still lie in that 160-170 range cause of the increased fat loss. So being in that buck 60, buck 70 range I'd be classed as an inexperienced guy afraid of gaining fat and having trouble gaining muscle right? Sometimes when you make big changes mental factors still stay the same and stop you from reaching your full potential.

I'm sorry if it sounds like a bitch or a rant, even a cry for which it most certainly is not. I just wanted to voice my thoughts and say that not everyone can be judged by what they weigh. A 200+lb guy may be intelligent, spit out well articulated sentences and be extremely well mannered/well spoken. And 160lb guy may not be just another wannabe.

Asim

Asim, you've been around this board A LONG time.

We know you're cool. The buck 50 thing is mostly for the real newbs that come along thinking they're the high and mighty BBer.

lol it could be worse. im not even good enough for the 170 category yet.

[Sammich]

Derik Farnsworth may weigh a buck 70, but I think it's also important to remember he's like two and a half feet tall, also.

[teckno05]

im fine cuz i acualy never get mentioned! IM A BUCK 40! lol and im proud to say im in the learning stage



hell from everyones posts i dont think most people even reach that...

[asim]

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

I suppose this is directed to me and you have a valid point. I use "a buck 70" in reference to a generalization of the typical "know it all" young bodybuilder on bb.com that truly doesnt know it all. It is what it is, a generalization of a certain group.

I apoligize to anyone who is in that weight area when I say "a buck 70" --again its a generalized notion-- kind of like when I see urban white kids trying to be all ghetto and black and I think "ok snoop trevor trev"

Hey Ive referred to myself as "big daddy smooth" many a time in the offseason when I let myself get too heavy, so I guess it goes both ways.

Derik Farnsworth is a freind, Deriks about 170lbs and I sure as heck dont think of Derik at all when I talk about "a buck 70 guys"---I think of a highly advanced bodybuilder who would embarrass alot of guys onstage in the abs and thighs pose. So asim I apoligize to you if i struck a nerve--I didnt mean to encompass everyone in those statements--I felt it was a given who I was talking about

Thank You Dante. I realise where you are coming from in all this aswell. The years in this and having seen what you've seen. And I guess to a certain degree the majority are as you and others have stated bb.com kinda guys.

I just had to get it off my chest just like when you have your moments and write your long ass posts like "Paying Your Dues" hehe.

[sus]

u need 2 chill out boss,if u gaining mass be happy,u lost all that fat be happy,
i know it hard to be happy in scottland but try mate if not move down south.
im 215lb and 12% body fat and i am not a meat head,so why worry about weight????

[AnyOldIron]

Asim: everyone started somewhere. I so much wanted to be a buck 70 when I was fat, lol. it's not what you weigh now as where you're going and how far you have come.

me, I'm 210 aiming for 220 at a reasonable bodyfat but as Badman well knows (and Sniffy mocks), I'm far from a meathead, I'm a bit of a nerd who is at college for computer programming and who paints lil 28mm figurines in his spare time.

(I also like fluffy kittens, long walks on the beach, writing poetry..)

[Sammich]

Originally Posted by AnyOldIron

(I also like fluffy kittens, long walks on the beach, writing poetry..)

[blown]

A buck 70 basically means these kids who do bench and biceps and now think they are bad mother fvckers b/c their biceps and pecs are slightly larger than the average 19yo kid.

[sniffy54]

if you're 5'0" and weigh a buck 170, i'll listen to you.

[asim]

Originally Posted by sniffy54

if you're 5'0" and weigh a buck 170, i'll listen to you.

Thank god I'm not 5'0. Being too short can be a bit of a curse, no offence to anyone who is short. I feel 5'6 is a nice height for a natural bodybuilder as you could be 200lb on stage and look good. I'm getting close to 5'6 as I'm shrinking for some reason I think its the heavy squats compressing my body.

It's all good. I feel we all have an understanding here.

I like this place and I respect the opinions of most, especially those who know what they are talking about. Sometimes you gotta walk a mile in the other guys shoes and see what it is really like to be him. The guys who are extremely big seem to get classed in a stereotype at times aswell, people take one look and judge them yet they have no idea of the type of person they are.

[teckno05]

<- 5'11 .. shit.. lol its gonna take awhile for me to fill out
+ long arms to begin with.. OH WELL!

[front2backjact]

I think attitude has much more to do with these stereotypes than anything. It pisses me off when I'm doing rack chins and a Buck-seventy guy who has achived nothing tells me that how much better regular chins are, and how he does sets of 30...
But on the flip side, there are some pretty huge guys around that are so arrogant, grunt and screem while warming up in order to let everyone know how hardcore they are, and tell people to get off their machines, while dealing drugs to noobs in the parking lot. These guys that call themselves bodybuilders, make me ashamed to be associated with BB.
If all the gym rats around were as classy as people on the board, a lot of the stigmas could be removed from BB.