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Old 03-19-2013, 11:03 AM   #1
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"Dangerous" Supplement?

I saw this article this morning and thought I'd share. Looks like we may be loosing another supplement in the coming months?

I hope not!

http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayi...c-issues-death

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This has been going on for a while.
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If it's unsafe it should be removed... and should have never been put on the market...

The lack of regulation with supplements really baffles me sometimes...
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Wait, yeah, I am confused. Hasn't 1,3-dimethylamylamine or DMAA been banned already?
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:56 PM   #5
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If it's unsafe it should be removed... and should have never been put on the market...

The lack of regulation with supplements really baffles me sometimes...
There is more regulation with supplements now, that in years passed. The thing is there is a fine line between safety regulation, and taking away our freedoms.

Then again how many drugs have also been pulled off the market due to saftey/health concerns? Despite clinical trials, and stringent regulation.
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:42 PM   #6
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I am personally all for having DMAA pulled from the shelves.
Even at the lowest recommended dose my heart beats uncomfortably fast and
leaves me having palpitations the rest of the day. My brother has had the same experience, so I know there are many of us out there.

My concern is for the person who doesn't know any better, buys the supplement, and causes permanent damage or death while using the product as directed. I have read somewhere (will have to find it so I can post it) that DMAA is very similar in structure and effects to amphetamines. I don't care if it is all natural and comes from a plant. Cocaine comes from a plant too.
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It said that over 100 million dollars in DMAA products have been sold and how many deaths?

If both soldiers were from the same base I would hope they might look into what exactly they were having the soldiers do, as well.

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Caffeine killed somebody, we must ban it...lol
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There is more regulation with supplements now, that in years passed. The thing is there is a fine line between safety regulation, and taking away our freedoms.

Then again how many drugs have also been pulled off the market due to saftey/health concerns? Despite clinical trials, and stringent regulation.
Ok, because last I knew...about 4 years ago supplements had to be proven to be dangerous before being pulled off shelves, if that has changed good.

What freedoms are being taken away exactly?
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Caffeine killed somebody, we must ban it...lol
This is my point and ephedra was consumed by millions and millions of people over a time frame of probably 12 years while it was on the market and yet only an incredibly small amount of people had health issues or died.

It's a tough call because you don't want kids or dumbasses messing themselves up but at the same time those that know what they are doing are having their right to use it taken away.

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What freedoms are being taken away exactly?
I think he is saying the freedom to use it.

I am just arguing that I am not sure that if millions of people use it and 2 people die (like with the Rockstar drinks), that the product is all of a sudden "bad".

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I think he is saying the freedom to use it.

I am just arguing that I am not sure that if millions of people use it and 2 people die (like with the Rockstar drinks), that the product is all of a sudden "bad".

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I follow what you are saying and tend to agree... however I do think maybe they should regulate who is taking these things. Alcohol can be good for you, or dangerous depending on how you use it. To me Supplements are no different. I know young kids who drink 3-5 Monsters/day. To me there is a similar risk many supplements, so why not at least require an adult person to have to buy them?

I don't know if this makes it all of a sudden "bad", but at least let's pull it, make sure it's relatively safe first rather than continuing to sell it for months and potentially risk more lives.
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I think he is saying the freedom to use it.

I am just arguing that I am not sure that if millions of people use it and 2 people die (like with the Rockstar drinks), that the product is all of a sudden "bad".

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I agree. A couple people die out of the ridiculous amount using these products, and it is sensationalized.

Yeap. The freedom to use health supplements in general. They have already taken certain supplements that were effective, and then big pharma starts investigating their use as "drugs". Next think you know you will need a prescription for Vitamin C, D, etc.

There is a fine line between safety regulations, be it cGMP facilities, and raw material testing, and totally fucking us all out of the right to supplement.

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I know young kids who drink 3-5 Monsters/day. To me there is a similar risk many supplements, so why not at least require an adult person to have to buy them?
I know young kids who sit on the sofa, play video games for 13hrs a day, eat nothing but fruit snacks, and ho-hos. Might as well regulate that too.
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Good grief, more people die every day from prescription drugs every damn day...and yet they are still on the market. clearly big brother needs to back off and find something else to ban/go after..what a fucking joke!
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Good grief, more people die every day from prescription drugs every damn day...and yet they are still on the market. clearly big brother needs to back off and find something else to ban/go after..what a fucking joke!
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I was just reading an article on this the other day..
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I know young kids who sit on the sofa, play video games for 13hrs a day, eat nothing but fruit snacks, and ho-hos. Might as well regulate that too.
And none of those things will cause instant death, though their parents may need to have something done with them, as this will increase all of our healthcare costs.

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Good grief, more people die every day from prescription drugs every damn day...and yet they are still on the market. clearly big brother needs to back off and find something else to ban/go after..what a fucking joke!
You are very correct here. Prescription drugs are a HUGE problem in this country. What I fail to grasp is why just because something else is more jacked up in our society we should give everything of slightly less importance a "free pass".
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And none of those things will cause instant death, though their parents may need to have something done with them, as this will increase all of our healthcare costs.
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Ohhhh instant death is the only thing we are concerned about..hah

Sorry to break it to you but there are millions upon millions of everyday/household items that can cause "instant death" when used improperly, abused, or consumed in excess. Doesn't mean regulation is the answer.

Additionally if something says "serving size 1 scoop do not exceed 3 scoops in a 24hr period" and someone takes 18 scoops, is it the supplements fault. Is it the lack of regulation?
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Free men should be able to consume whatever the hell free men want to consume. Yes, WHATEVER they want...kinda goes along with the "free" part.
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Free men should be able to consume whatever the hell free men want to consume. Yes, WHATEVER they want...kinda goes along with the "free" part.
Would you support a law requiring retailers to I.D. buyers of 'supplements' containing certain ingredients? For example, no sale to anyone younger than 18 years of age?

My problem is that many of these so called supplements are actually drugs. Substances that are usually derived by synthetic means (DMAA is synthesized more often than extracted) and can do a lot of damage. This goes double for "supplements" like prohormones. They need to be regulated in a way that helps to prevent kids from getting a hold of them.

DMAA is not even a dietary supplement. What exactly is it supposed to be supplementing?

But I guess I see your point. I have no issue with adults buying stuff like this. The risk is theirs to take.
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I follow what you are saying and tend to agree... however I do think maybe they should regulate who is taking these things. Alcohol can be good for you, or dangerous depending on how you use it. To me Supplements are no different. I know young kids who drink 3-5 Monsters/day. To me there is a similar risk many supplements, so why not at least require an adult person to have to buy them?

I don't know if this makes it all of a sudden "bad", but at least let's pull it, make sure it's relatively safe first rather than continuing to sell it for months and potentially risk more lives.
I would agree with not being able to buy it unless you are an adult or an age limit or something. Pulling it so that adults can't buy it I am not sure about. I can't honestly think of one thing that has been on the shelves in the last 10 years that has had a serious concern for death, can you?

Off the top of my head: rockstar drinks, ephedra based products and maybe the creatine scare when it was thought that your kidneys were going to shut down.

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I would agree with not being able to buy it unless you are an adult or an age limit or something. Pulling it so that adults can't buy it I am not sure about. I can't honestly think of one thing that has been on the shelves in the last 10 years that has had a serious concern for death, can you?

Off the top of my head: rockstar drinks, ephedra based products and maybe the creatine scare when it was thought that your kidneys were going to shut down.

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On the same page... No I can't think of anything major in recent years.

I think an age limit would be good, but there would go probably 50% of the supplement company's market.
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I am personally all for having DMAA pulled from the shelves.
Even at the lowest recommended dose my heart beats uncomfortably fast and
leaves me having palpitations the rest of the day. My brother has had the same experience, so I know there are many of us out there.

My concern is for the person who doesn't know any better, buys the supplement, and causes permanent damage or death while using the product as directed. I have read somewhere (will have to find it so I can post it) that DMAA is very similar in structure and effects to amphetamines. I don't care if it is all natural and comes from a plant. Cocaine comes from a plant too.
Caffeine causes certain people's hearts to beat fast or irregularly, even when taken as directed. Should we pull caffeine as well?
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I think all sorts of things should be legal, as long as enough information is given about the substance. Let those who are fucking retarded enough to misuse them and die go ahead and get cleared out of the gene pool. Why should my choices and freedoms be limited due to the unbelievable ignorance and stupidity of other people?
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