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Longevity DVD Q and A An in depth Q and A with Ken Skip Hill, an expert in bodybuilding contest preparation who shares free tips about bodybuilding, longevity, diet, exercise, cardio, figure, fitness, supplements and health in his free DVD video series. |
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skipload question
Is it wise to do cardio on the morning of your skipload?
Also when it comes to the skipload itself and keeping fat in our food choices low because fat slows digestion right? Would it be acceptable to have a carb/fat meal at the end of the skipload? One carb fat meal, whether it be pizza or anything really would be awesome but if its going hinder progress then that's another story. Just curious. Thanks skip |
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[QUOTE=phrozen;852562]Is it wise to do cardio on the morning of your skipload?
I do ![]()
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Shouldn't be an issue for morning cardio. I do it too.
For the skipload, have your last skipload meal then on your next meal go back to your normal diet
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ya I know how that works. I don't think you understand what I'm asking. I'm asking would it be acceptable to have carbs and fats as my last skip load meal before i return to my normal diet....considering you try to keep fats as low as you can to improve digestion.
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Recommendations regarding refeed (carb-load) are often:
60% carbs 20%-25% pros 15%-20% fats How does this look like referring to an ideal Skipload? 70% carbs? 20% pros? 10% fats?
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Recommendations are from anabolic diets f.e. (not from you).
I know that you have never given any numbers. On the DVD you mention fat as very low, that's why I'm asking if you can clarify it a bit. I'm not bothering. ![]()
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I don't use numbers, though, so if clarifying means putting numbers to it, no. ![]() The lower the fat is, the more carbs you can get in. That is the main point with fat being low. Skip
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Clarifying in specific would mean that there is no problem by having carbs higher than 70% and fat below 10%.
That was not the result of putting numbers, those numbers occured as the result of meal composition.
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As mentioned the numbers came from anabolic diets, I took them as a reference point.
Regarding DC one is also dealing with numbers. It's not only high protein intake f.e. but 1.8g-2g /lbs f.e. but if you don't want or like to clarify or comment on this: Quote:
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Get in as many carbs as you possibly can while keeping fat as low as you possibly can. Its as simple as that, its not meant to be rocket science. |
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Then take a guy of 220 lbs lean body mass, fill his glycogen storages completely and give the same amount of carbs to a guy of 160 lbs lbm-and guess what happens... If you consider people like Mauro Di Pasquale or Lyle Mc Donald as rocket scientists, may you do so. My question was not complicated and can even be answered with yes or no: Quote:
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I see your point, and I'm going out on a limb from what I got from the DVD. The reason you are having a problem with the idea behind this is that it doesn't sound specific to the individual, but it is. From what I got:
You start out with a 6 hour span of time to do your Skip load. You want to fill yourself up, but not to the point of being stuffed or sick. This may end up being roughly 3 meals. After that go back to your normal diet. From that you will be able to gauge if you need to add to your Skip load. In the video he explains that you will be above baseline after the Skip load, but will eventually go below your low from the week before. If this happens too early you may need to add your Skip load. The point is numbers are useless to start out because it depends on the individual and the type of diet they are doing. The best way to find out where to go from there is to gauge how the baseline effects you. So you start out with the baseline of how he describes the Skip load and go from there. If this sounds like you may need assistance, you may and that's why Skip gets paid the "Big Bucks". And the whole "What percentage my macros be" is moot if you go by what he said on the DVD. You also may want to look at the SKip Load approved foods. That may help you with food choices. Does that sound about right Skip? I'm not trying to interject, but I think I understand where he was coming from.
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That's what I got from Skip too. There is no exact number or percentages. Just do it and see when you baseline..make adjustments from there
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so if you baseline too early, your next refeed should (probably) be bigger.
but what if you actually keep the weight or if you are even a little heavier on the morning of the following refeed? |
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Baseline too early then yes, longer refeed.
EDITED TO REMOVE CRAP :-)
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I think he meant the next weeks refeed morning. but not sure. This thread is getting way more complicated than it needs to
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hw642, if you are heavier the following week when it would be time for your next refeed, then you obviously took in too much, so you should reduce the time of your refeed I would assume.
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Thank you very much for your statements. One is always heavier after a refeed because with 1g of glycogen 3g of water are stored.
@Doberman: You see my point but I was not referring to the 6 hours carb-load-window. There Skip explains that one can add fat to slow down digestion if one is not feeling well. What I mean is one whole day (because leptin levels need 12-24 hours to recover). May I explain it a bit further: Refeed-carbs are often computed in g/lbs of lean body mass, let's say somebody wants to refeed 600g of carbs and follows the mentioned guidelines of 60% carbs, 20% pros and 20% fats it looks like this: C: 600g x 4.3 = 2,580 cals P: 200g x 4.3 = 860 cals F: 93 g x 9.2 = 860 cals Total: = 4,300 cals If you take in the same amount of carbs and change the percentage from 60% to 70%, keep protein the same at 20% reduce fats from 20% to 10%. It looks like this: C: 600g x 4.3 = 2,580 cals P: 171g x 4.3 = 737 cals F: 40g x 9.2 = 369 cals Total: = 3.686 cals Bottom line: you save more than 600 cals during the refeed without changing the amount of carbs. I respect that Skip and some of you don't use numbers. Regarding bloating may I add something. 60g of carbs per hour can enter the bloodstream. So if you eat much more than 120g of carbs every two hours, you have a good chance to feel bloated. Ok, I know...numbers again.... ![]() But how shall one express "keep fat low". 20% isn't high. 10% is lower and saves a lot of calories. I keep my question simple: Any objections to go that low or lower?
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there are no objections that I have heard, or read about keeping fat lower. The point it to eat as many carbs as it takes to fill you up, take in some protein, and the only fat should be the trace amounts found in your protein and carbs...
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Again, for the skipload don't be concerned with calories. Some diet plans may do that but Skip's way works great without worrying about calories.
For my refeeds, the highest fat item is a Poptart. I belive they have 5g fat per serving. Most everything else is 0-3g fat. The more processed the food is the better. It's also easier for me to baseline the lower I keep the fat. Pizza is no good for refeed
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there is another thing that i do not understand: how do you figure out, how long your refeeds should be while in the offseason? |
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im really sorry to butt in, but i believe skip gave us a FREE insight about his "brainchild". i think he clearly explained everything we need to know in the dvd, then its up to us how we will make it work for ourselves.
if you want to play with the numbers game, then by all means go ahead. if you want to go by how skip explained it, then by all means go for it. wana skipload 2x a week, then by all means go for it. nobody will stop you from doing it. my point is skip has given us so much info for free. armed with all his info might as well experiment with it and give it time so you can see what will work and what will not. so thinking things out is up to our ownselves not by other people. if you're too lazy to take the time and experiment with it then by all means hire the man. hope i didn't sound like an a**hole with my statements. vic
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