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  • rubinsteinnyc
    Heavyweight Member
    • Sep 2005
    • 1509

    the truth about stretching...

    ...I am getting certified as a personal trainer at ECITS organization. One of the guys that is teaching the class is a highly acclaimed personal trainer got certificates from ACSM and others...
    today, he was talking about static stretching... and he stated THAT it is dangerous EVEN in between sets... claims that it only adds to the trauma of the worked muscle, tearing it up... i was stunned and speechless... i told him how it adds to the fullness of the muscle, and helps recovery and all... he was just shaking his head... do not flame me, it's just an opinion of a guy who trains the navy, pro football, basketball, baseball teams... comp. fitness figure women

    any comments?
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  • boondocksmuscle
    Super-heavyweight Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 4712

    #2
    some ppl just dont believe in it...i didnt at first...but after i actually tried it consistently i really like it...but if someone is uneducated then they might take it to far and injure themselves...but that can happen with anything...just my opinion
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    • mhschiefs97
      Middleweight Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 681

      #3
      He was completely against all stretching? I am not big on stretching a body part until it is already finished being worked out and that works awesome for me. I do agree with him that you are just adding to the trauma by stretching a body part in the middle of working it out. There are exceptions though. That is just my opinion though.
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      • prolangtum
        Light-heavyweight Member
        • Jun 2005
        • 786

        #4
        everyone is entitled to their opinion. Maybe there is some science to what he has to say......but results are results....and for bodybuilders, weighted fascia stretching has proven to work.

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        • Phil1369
          New Member
          • May 2005
          • 78

          #5
          Why have all the osteopaths and chiropractors I've dealt with recommended it ?
          They all warn against stretching a cold muscle.

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          • Cerberus
            New Member
            • Feb 2005
            • 18

            #6
            Context, context, context. To completely statisfy a good argument, we need more substance to work with. Generalizations are killers. i.e. stretching a cold muscle. (btw, is actually a good method of stretching if applied correctly)

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            • homonunculus
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              • Feb 2004
              • 18867

              #7
              Pretty simple - just provide some scientific references and/or evidence (before and after pictures for instance) for these statements:

              "static stretching... and he stated THAT it is dangerous EVEN in between sets..."

              "for bodybuilders, weighted fascia stretching has proven to work."

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              • horsepower
                Light-heavyweight Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 1198

                #8
                Perhaps he was referring to an already injured muscle :noidea: --I can imagine how excessive static stretching could exacerbate a problem.
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                • prolangtum
                  Light-heavyweight Member
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 786

                  #9
                  Originally posted by homonunculus

                  "for bodybuilders, weighted fascia stretching has proven to work."

                  -R
                  scientifiically proven, no....anedoctally yes. Whenever I train DC style I notice hypertrophy in certain areas where I feel the "stretch" when doing the weighted stretches. Quads, chest, and biceps particularly. I know im not alone in this area.

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                  • Luci

                    #10
                    i can feel the stretch in my chest, lats, bis and quads the most but have big difficulties in stretching other body parts and notice a faster growth in the "better stretched" body parts

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                    • tadams
                      Middleweight Member
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 576

                      #11
                      There are a bunch of studies that have come out recently that have said static stretching a muscle group immediately before weightlifting can increase the risk of injury, i guess he could be referring to one of these. I even saw an article written by Charles Poliquin that said the same thing. The problem with a lot of these studies is that they have conflicting results. Lets not forget about all the studies that talk about protein consumption and how almost every one says high protein diets are useless and you can only take in something like .8g/ lb bodyweight.
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                      • Sentinel
                        Banned by Skip for being a bitch
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 4161

                        #12
                        Originally posted by tadams
                        There are a bunch of studies that have come out recently that have said static stretching a muscle group immediately before weightlifting can increase the risk of injury, i guess he could be referring to one of these. I even saw an article written by Charles Poliquin that said the same thing. The problem with a lot of these studies is that they have conflicting results. Lets not forget about all the studies that talk about protein consumption and how almost every one says high protein diets are useless and you can only take in something like .8g/ lb bodyweight.
                        good points there

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                        • rubinsteinnyc
                          Heavyweight Member
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 1509

                          #13
                          actually, i asked HIM and other guy who is there for re-cert. (competitive PL and BBer) and i asked him " do you tell your clients to stretch the bodypart they were workin on after they are done?" he said "NO"...

                          -homonunculus- ill ask him for the scientific data on which he bases his statement.
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                          • bhman6
                            Roundtable Expert
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 6823

                            #14
                            maybe he was referring to stretching heavily BEFORE a workout or game, which has been shown to reduce work output
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                            • rubinsteinnyc
                              Heavyweight Member
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 1509

                              #15
                              nah, def, not... we were even laughing at people stretching BEFORE having the muscle "warm"...
                              and i specifically stated, in between sets and after
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