Wheres the stickies?

**Doggcrapp** · 06-07-2005, 04:26 AM

a)betrayed by a trainee +

b)complaints by a trainee (concerning too much helping you guys for free)

=

c) Me getting pissed off

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 06-07-2005, 04:38 AM

Imitation is the best form of flattery.

Rest assured, DC, veryone is aware that there is only one of you and they broke the mold afterwards. Of course, it took 3 years, 114 guys working over 5400 man hours to dismantle it but they did get it done.

Skip

**Doggcrapp** · 06-26-2005, 06:29 PM

I think Ive come up with a solution. Im going to get a basic sticky outline out to everyone on here and then stay off the boards as much as humanly possible. Ive gotten really really tired of arguing about things--it seems like Im having to defend my views daily, or Im arguing with someone daily on some message board and its really started to wear me out. I dont take message boards as life or death but when your in conflicts day in and day out about something that really is important to you (as all this is to me)-it takes its toll after awhile. My wife knows my big pet peeve is I hate arguing and I hate drama--I like a relaxing environment and kidding around. Ill do most of my work from emails (trainees) and I think that will make things more stress free. The big problem with me is if I see someone post about my opinions/methods that I feel is incorrect I find myself having to respond--its important to me that people dont get the wrong idea about my methods, so if i dont see it I wont respond to it and to do that I have to remove myself from that arena. If I do post it probably will be to joke around or if I do find I have some free time Ill post on some of these topics I hit on previously (and then Ill just leave them alone for people to rip apart--LOL)

some of the topics ive been meaning to write about and Ill leave the little tiny short version in bold

People who refuse to cruise (one way ticket to being unsuccessful in all this)

ribcage expansion, lat spread manipulation and shoulder girdle manipulation (-this article is going to be a multichapter saga--it can be done--100% positive and no doubt about it-ive proved it to myself and others (trust me my shoulder width and lat spread were not anywhere near what they are now in the beginning--I do wish i never expanded my ribcage like I did though because it can throw off your lat spread and your shoulder to waist flare if your bottom ribs are much lower than your lat connections--(mine are) and I have a huge ribcage now)--and no im not going to write about all this until i have the time to do it so please dont keep asking

water intake--dehydration=catabolism

weight scales--this device screws up more peoples heads than anything in the bbing genre--want 2 tickets to bodybuilding failure? overanalyzing and getting on the weight scale every day (Fuck I lost a lb! Let me reformat my training and diet!)

chest training 3 way split-(ill probaly never write about it as it will clusterfuck everyones thinking on the 2 way split)

calf training for advanced DC trainees--(I let some of the brutes do a little lower rep range because i know they are doing it right (5 secs down, 15 at bottom) or Ill give them one rest pause during the set if and only if they get to the magic rep they need to get too)

supplements that some people need to be doing (hdl/ldl, prolactin levels, fiber, antioxidants, immune system supps--jesus im stopping there before this turns into a 5000 word mini post)

getting to starting point A (lean) so you then can be successful going to point B (huge and lean)----(why does almost every fat 175 to 220lb guy suddenly think their unhappiness/troubles are going to go away if they can gain 30lbs of muscle mass? great now your a fat 205-250lbs guy)

sumo, rack, deadlifts (rep ranges)--dont think your traps are big enough? throw 2 of these in for your back thickness exercises (out of your three) and let me know what happened in 3-6 months--some people need to do a higher rep ranges then normal on these to not get to quick plateaus (12-15 and 7-10 instead of the normal recommended)--ok im shutting up on that

the risks needed to take to succeed in this support--its rare but the possibility that you could injure yourself with a muscle tear/injury going after the goal of huge muscle size is there-its a risk associated (but not wanted) with using heavy weights-so if you want to stay the same size join the blue ball class or circuit train-or convince yourselves that "going for the pump" on isolation movements is key--hey that always works for the pro's that stay the same size for a decade but forgot how they got to pro size in the first place (heavy ass weights)

daily fluctuations in energy expenditure and why I dont have you counting grams (outside of protein grams)---do you really think you burned the exact same number of calories last leg day when you helped your freind move and washed your car too as yesterday when you had the day off training and watched baseball on tv all day and took a nap?

forearms-(looking at watch because im starting to ramble again)

wasting time when you could of already been the bodybuilder you sought out to be
-see overanalyzing and wasting years upon years in the gym--if you are the same size you were last year or worse 3-5 years ago--YEA IM TALKING TO YOU

loftgroover · 06-28-2005, 04:32 PM

just an idea,couldnt you set up a mailing list,or a private forum,where we pay a fee and can recieve the articles you mentioned,that way at least those of us who are genuinley interested have the pleasure of viewing the articles and people who just want to rip it apart wont see it as they hopefully wouldnt be willing to pay just to argue/rip it apart.

Future · 06-29-2005, 12:41 AM

Nice idea.

IronBrendan · 06-29-2005, 02:36 AM

Thanks DC. We know you're just trying to help us be better bodybuilders.

phrozen · 07-04-2005, 11:49 PM

i'd pay to recieve these articles.

Suareezay · 07-05-2005, 01:37 AM

id buy that for a dollar!

anything to get all the $hit thats floating around in DCs head. Everything that hes put out there so far that has gone against my method of thinking has turned out to work, so keep it comming.

Wreck · 07-05-2005, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loftgroover

just an idea,couldnt you set up a mailing list,or a private forum,where we pay a fee and can recieve the articles you mentioned,that way at least those of us who are genuinley interested have the pleasure of viewing the articles and people who just want to rip it apart wont see it as they hopefully wouldnt be willing to pay just to argue/rip it apart.

I'd certainly be willing to pay. But I think you'd find the stuff being cut and pasted and end up all over anyway.

loftgroover · 07-05-2005, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wreck

I'd certainly be willing to pay. But I think you'd find the stuff being cut and pasted and end up all over anyway.

true,
to help counteract it in some way,maybe have an agreement where we agree to have our ip logged and if we post the articles on another site they can match the ip and then be banned from recieveing future articles,if found to be distributing the articles.

In-Human · 07-05-2005, 01:39 PM

It all sounds like another serious headache if you ask me, just give it time, DC will post a compiled version that can be posted...

mike@tpcanada · 07-05-2005, 04:25 PM

maybe disable right click is an option (if there was a pay membership section or for the future stickies)

craig57 · 07-05-2005, 11:41 PM

hmm disable right click/highlighting/encrypt the text's html

i have no clue if theres any way to disable source viewing

yea ih was right that would be a bigger headache for him, even if it does give dante a way to sleep better at night

steini · 07-06-2005, 06:54 AM

There would be still ways to copy the texts. Inhuman said it .. sounds like headache.

Wreck · 07-06-2005, 10:42 AM

IF DC doesn't want this info publicly accessible, probably the best way would be to have a public and private forum. You have to prove yourself in the public forum for "right of passage" into the private, and/or have someone vouch for you. The private forum is just "your word" that you're not going to cut and paste the stuff elsewhere. That way, DC could only monitor the private area where the posters are already stupidity-sensored.

(just a cool smiley)

bigcity · 07-07-2005, 09:39 PM

wow im glad I saved all of it and prited out

learner202 · 07-23-2005, 11:46 AM

Bummer I was learning a lot here. I understand though. To bad there are always one that has to ruin it for everyone.

ThomasCrown · 07-24-2005, 03:04 AM

I'm new here, this is my 2nd post. So if I seem a little incoherent, a little dazed, you now know why.

I should say that I've yet to read even one post of DC's that pertains to training. Though I did read all of his posts over in the sticky relating to shoulder rehab.

But in keeping in synch with the topic of discussion in this thread, why doesn't DC consider offering a bodybuilding course? One that offers email support. Seems like more than one person here is ready to bust out their wallet. Really though, if DC is working as a personal trainer, he'd probrably have to farm out the email support duties to someone else.

In-Human · 07-24-2005, 01:43 PM

I edited your post, seemed a bit strange to me that you would post this without reading a thing, plus I received a complaint about what you linked to, but enjoy the board and read on and you will see all your questions are answered...

psycho Dad · 09-05-2005, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Me getting pissed off

Don't do this Clark Kent. The last thing we need is for SUPERMOD to put on his cape and fly away. We newbies beg you to not get pissed off, we do indeed need your help!

Psycho Dad

shootmeagain · 10-25-2005, 10:03 AM

No offense to any of your trainees but shouldn't you just tell them to get over it?

I mean, if you offer the basics of your system publicly or even provide some basic assistance, how is that detrimental to the one-on-one service you provide to them as a commited personal trainer? I don't see their problem... and I say that as one who is looking to engage your services (or Inhuman) at some point in the future myself. Also, I happened to save all the other info before and am learning the ropes of DC now, so I'm not posting here to whine about losing something. Just seems to me that the complaining persons need to realize the difference in you getting the word out about your system to the masses and you giving them person, one-on-one attention as a paid instructor and guide. I just don't get it.

HST is online. MAX-OT is online. P/RR/S system can be found online and in print (and its creator offering personal coaching services for a fee). It just stands to reason that DC would be. Sorry to go on... I just can't believe someone(s) were whining about your public postings re: DC.

Ah well...

Future · 10-25-2005, 10:09 AM

It's very simple. Clients will be annoyed that they paid for services while so many guys online are getting information for free. It's not a tough concept. DC still shares some insight etc. But overall things are pulled back. And you dont get repeat business from clients by telling them to shove it. The people that need to shove are the lazy fucks that dont look for the information in the SEARCH function@ IM, journals and Google.

shootmeagain · 10-25-2005, 10:16 AM

What did they pay for again?

I thought (as a potential client) that I would be paying for one-on-one, personalized programs of diet and training with personal attention to my needs, questions, and etc.

I don't see how a forum sticky (or similar distribution) on the basics of DC training hurts that.

Like I said, I saved all the DC stuff previously, so I don't mind for myself. And I guess its none of my business really.

(Oh... and hi Future... are you the same Future I know from the VPX forum?)

In-Human · 10-25-2005, 10:44 AM

Ok here is the main problem, the posts and stickies that DC makes are taken out of context and a piece here and a piece there then posted on other boards where there are no trainees of DC that can help out and steer them in the right direction, so then you get some fool who cluster fucks what he read on another board, tries the program and then bashes it cause it did not work, there is no reason for this kind of bullshit any where. If the creator of his program wants it keep to himself so its not mis interperted, then so be it, DC has handed out 1000s of post to help out more than any other creator of any program for free online and in person. There are 1000s who have done this program from what they learned from the boards and many here to help out with questions about training, so no I do not see a problem, whining is part of the sport and we must live with it...

shootmeagain · 10-25-2005, 12:16 PM

Well said.

Of course, you are right... he has the right to do whatever he wants with his system. My comment was only meant as a negative against those who have complained previously about him doing just that...

I understand about the need to try to avoid the problems you mentioned though. I guess there is no win-win situation. Ah well... I'm enjoying DC thus far and believe it is a very sound system -- one I am grateful to have learned of as it fits my present needs and goals nearly perfectly.

06-07-2005, 04:26 AM	#1
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,984	Wheres the stickies? a)betrayed by a trainee + b)complaints by a trainee (concerning too much helping you guys for free) = c) Me getting pissed off __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

06-07-2005, 04:38 AM	#2
Ken "Skip" Hill Judge, Jury and Executioner Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 13,424	Imitation is the best form of flattery. Rest assured, DC, veryone is aware that there is only one of you and they broke the mold afterwards. Of course, it took 3 years, 114 guys working over 5400 man hours to dismantle it but they did get it done. Skip __________________ Leaner, harder, fuller, tighter, drier, more shredded, more ripped, more detail, more knowledge and more experience - Call it what you like but call on me: TEAMSKIP@IntenseMuscle.com TEAM SKIP clients get their protein from only one place: TRUEPROTEIN.com. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." - Luke 12:48

06-26-2005, 06:29 PM	#3
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,984	I think Ive come up with a solution. Im going to get a basic sticky outline out to everyone on here and then stay off the boards as much as humanly possible. Ive gotten really really tired of arguing about things--it seems like Im having to defend my views daily, or Im arguing with someone daily on some message board and its really started to wear me out. I dont take message boards as life or death but when your in conflicts day in and day out about something that really is important to you (as all this is to me)-it takes its toll after awhile. My wife knows my big pet peeve is I hate arguing and I hate drama--I like a relaxing environment and kidding around. Ill do most of my work from emails (trainees) and I think that will make things more stress free. The big problem with me is if I see someone post about my opinions/methods that I feel is incorrect I find myself having to respond--its important to me that people dont get the wrong idea about my methods, so if i dont see it I wont respond to it and to do that I have to remove myself from that arena. If I do post it probably will be to joke around or if I do find I have some free time Ill post on some of these topics I hit on previously (and then Ill just leave them alone for people to rip apart--LOL) some of the topics ive been meaning to write about and Ill leave the little tiny short version in bold People who refuse to cruise (one way ticket to being unsuccessful in all this) ribcage expansion, lat spread manipulation and shoulder girdle manipulation (-this article is going to be a multichapter saga--it can be done--100% positive and no doubt about it-ive proved it to myself and others (trust me my shoulder width and lat spread were not anywhere near what they are now in the beginning--I do wish i never expanded my ribcage like I did though because it can throw off your lat spread and your shoulder to waist flare if your bottom ribs are much lower than your lat connections--(mine are) and I have a huge ribcage now)--and no im not going to write about all this until i have the time to do it so please dont keep asking water intake--dehydration=catabolism weight scales--this device screws up more peoples heads than anything in the bbing genre--want 2 tickets to bodybuilding failure? overanalyzing and getting on the weight scale every day (Fuck I lost a lb! Let me reformat my training and diet!) chest training 3 way split-(ill probaly never write about it as it will clusterfuck everyones thinking on the 2 way split) calf training for advanced DC trainees--(I let some of the brutes do a little lower rep range because i know they are doing it right (5 secs down, 15 at bottom) or Ill give them one rest pause during the set if and only if they get to the magic rep they need to get too) supplements that some people need to be doing (hdl/ldl, prolactin levels, fiber, antioxidants, immune system supps--jesus im stopping there before this turns into a 5000 word mini post) getting to starting point A (lean) so you then can be successful going to point B (huge and lean)----(why does almost every fat 175 to 220lb guy suddenly think their unhappiness/troubles are going to go away if they can gain 30lbs of muscle mass? great now your a fat 205-250lbs guy) sumo, rack, deadlifts (rep ranges)--dont think your traps are big enough? throw 2 of these in for your back thickness exercises (out of your three) and let me know what happened in 3-6 months--some people need to do a higher rep ranges then normal on these to not get to quick plateaus (12-15 and 7-10 instead of the normal recommended)--ok im shutting up on that the risks needed to take to succeed in this support--its rare but the possibility that you could injure yourself with a muscle tear/injury going after the goal of huge muscle size is there-its a risk associated (but not wanted) with using heavy weights-so if you want to stay the same size join the blue ball class or circuit train-or convince yourselves that "going for the pump" on isolation movements is key--hey that always works for the pro's that stay the same size for a decade but forgot how they got to pro size in the first place (heavy ass weights) daily fluctuations in energy expenditure and why I dont have you counting grams (outside of protein grams)---do you really think you burned the exact same number of calories last leg day when you helped your freind move and washed your car too as yesterday when you had the day off training and watched baseball on tv all day and took a nap? forearms-(looking at watch because im starting to ramble again) wasting time when you could of already been the bodybuilder you sought out to be -see overanalyzing and wasting years upon years in the gym--if you are the same size you were last year or worse 3-5 years ago--YEA IM TALKING TO YOU __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

06-29-2005, 12:41 AM	#5
Future Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,853	Nice idea. __________________ Team Skip Client

07-05-2005, 01:37 AM	#8
Suareezay Middleweight Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 550	id buy that for a dollar! anything to get all the $hit thats floating around in DCs head. Everything that hes put out there so far that has gone against my method of thinking has turned out to work, so keep it comming. __________________ TrueProtein discount code: CAS282

06-28-2005, 04:32 PM	#4
loftgroover Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: u.k Posts: 231	just an idea,couldnt you set up a mailing list,or a private forum,where we pay a fee and can recieve the articles you mentioned,that way at least those of us who are genuinley interested have the pleasure of viewing the articles and people who just want to rip it apart wont see it as they hopefully wouldnt be willing to pay just to argue/rip it apart.

06-29-2005, 02:36 AM	#6
IronBrendan Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: University of Florida Posts: 6,814	Thanks DC. We know you're just trying to help us be better bodybuilders.

07-04-2005, 11:49 PM	#7
phrozen Bantamweight Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 168	i'd pay to recieve these articles.

07-05-2005, 01:39 PM	#11
In-Human IM Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,455	It all sounds like another serious headache if you ask me, just give it time, DC will post a compiled version that can be posted... __________________ "That damn log book" www.trueprotein.com Highest quality protein at the lowest price...

07-05-2005, 04:25 PM	#12
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07-05-2005, 11:41 PM	#13
craig57 Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ewa Beach, Hawaii Posts: 893	hmm disable right click/highlighting/encrypt the text's html i have no clue if theres any way to disable source viewing yea ih was right that would be a bigger headache for him, even if it does give dante a way to sleep better at night __________________ Trueprotein discount: CRS706 Comin' atcha like Cleopatra !!! Last edited by craig57 : 07-05-2005 at 11:45 PM.

07-06-2005, 06:54 AM	#14
steini Bantamweight Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 170	There would be still ways to copy the texts. Inhuman said it .. sounds like headache.

07-06-2005, 10:42 AM	#15
Wreck New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 62	IF DC doesn't want this info publicly accessible, probably the best way would be to have a public and private forum. You have to prove yourself in the public forum for "right of passage" into the private, and/or have someone vouch for you. The private forum is just "your word" that you're not going to cut and paste the stuff elsewhere. That way, DC could only monitor the private area where the posters are already stupidity-sensored. (just a cool smiley)

07-07-2005, 09:39 PM	#16
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07-23-2005, 11:46 AM	#17
learner202 New Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 98	Bummer I was learning a lot here. I understand though. To bad there are always one that has to ruin it for everyone. __________________ Learner202 is presenting ficticious scenerios in a role play environment. I get big because I love it. Competition is marvelous, provided it is done for the good of the goal rather then the good of the soul. A wise person doesn't batter against stone walls, but finds ways around them, under them, or over them.

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07-24-2005, 03:04 AM	#18
ThomasCrown New Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: SanDiego Posts: 2	I'm new here, this is my 2nd post. So if I seem a little incoherent, a little dazed, you now know why. I should say that I've yet to read even one post of DC's that pertains to training. Though I did read all of his posts over in the sticky relating to shoulder rehab. But in keeping in synch with the topic of discussion in this thread, why doesn't DC consider offering a bodybuilding course? One that offers email support. Seems like more than one person here is ready to bust out their wallet. Really though, if DC is working as a personal trainer, he'd probrably have to farm out the email support duties to someone else. Last edited by In-Human : 07-24-2005 at 01:41 PM.

07-24-2005, 01:43 PM	#19
In-Human IM Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,455	I edited your post, seemed a bit strange to me that you would post this without reading a thing, plus I received a complaint about what you linked to, but enjoy the board and read on and you will see all your questions are answered... __________________ "That damn log book" www.trueprotein.com Highest quality protein at the lowest price...

10-25-2005, 10:03 AM	#21
shootmeagain New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4	No offense to any of your trainees but shouldn't you just tell them to get over it? I mean, if you offer the basics of your system publicly or even provide some basic assistance, how is that detrimental to the one-on-one service you provide to them as a commited personal trainer? I don't see their problem... and I say that as one who is looking to engage your services (or Inhuman) at some point in the future myself. Also, I happened to save all the other info before and am learning the ropes of DC now, so I'm not posting here to whine about losing something. Just seems to me that the complaining persons need to realize the difference in you getting the word out about your system to the masses and you giving them person, one-on-one attention as a paid instructor and guide. I just don't get it. HST is online. MAX-OT is online. P/RR/S system can be found online and in print (and its creator offering personal coaching services for a fee). It just stands to reason that DC would be. Sorry to go on... I just can't believe someone(s) were whining about your public postings re: DC. Ah well... Last edited by shootmeagain : 10-25-2005 at 10:10 AM.

10-25-2005, 10:09 AM	#22
Future Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,853	It's very simple. Clients will be annoyed that they paid for services while so many guys online are getting information for free. It's not a tough concept. DC still shares some insight etc. But overall things are pulled back. And you dont get repeat business from clients by telling them to shove it. The people that need to shove are the lazy fucks that dont look for the information in the SEARCH function@ IM, journals and Google. __________________ Team Skip Client

10-25-2005, 10:16 AM	#23
shootmeagain New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4	What did they pay for again? I thought (as a potential client) that I would be paying for one-on-one, personalized programs of diet and training with personal attention to my needs, questions, and etc. I don't see how a forum sticky (or similar distribution) on the basics of DC training hurts that. Like I said, I saved all the DC stuff previously, so I don't mind for myself. And I guess its none of my business really. (Oh... and hi Future... are you the same Future I know from the VPX forum?) Last edited by shootmeagain : 10-25-2005 at 10:20 AM.

10-25-2005, 10:44 AM	#24
In-Human IM Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,455	Ok here is the main problem, the posts and stickies that DC makes are taken out of context and a piece here and a piece there then posted on other boards where there are no trainees of DC that can help out and steer them in the right direction, so then you get some fool who cluster fucks what he read on another board, tries the program and then bashes it cause it did not work, there is no reason for this kind of bullshit any where. If the creator of his program wants it keep to himself so its not mis interperted, then so be it, DC has handed out 1000s of post to help out more than any other creator of any program for free online and in person. There are 1000s who have done this program from what they learned from the boards and many here to help out with questions about training, so no I do not see a problem, whining is part of the sport and we must live with it... __________________ "That damn log book" www.trueprotein.com Highest quality protein at the lowest price...

10-25-2005, 12:16 PM	#25
shootmeagain New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4	Well said. Of course, you are right... he has the right to do whatever he wants with his system. My comment was only meant as a negative against those who have complained previously about him doing just that... I understand about the need to try to avoid the problems you mentioned though. I guess there is no win-win situation. Ah well... I'm enjoying DC thus far and believe it is a very sound system -- one I am grateful to have learned of as it fits my present needs and goals nearly perfectly.

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