Wheres the stickies? - Page 2

boldwarrior · 11-02-2005, 06:49 PM

so, being a new person to this site, no chance whatsoever to meet DC as i live in australia, it seems pointless being here if i dont know what DC's principles on training are. Why wast my time, (Dial up = long time for pages to load) looking up forums pages if the principles will not be there?? from what i have read so far, its not posted on this forum. Therefore if i read any more , i wont know what you guys are talking about.
What a fantastic way to market your ideas, dont tell anybody what it actually involves yet it is great, does wonders and you will gain gain gain.

Peaked_18 · 11-02-2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boldwarrior

so, being a new person to this site, no chance whatsoever to meet DC as i live in australia, it seems pointless being here if i dont know what DC's principles on training are. Why wast my time, (Dial up = long time for pages to load) looking up forums pages if the principles will not be there?? from what i have read so far, its not posted on this forum. Therefore if i read any more , i wont know what you guys are talking about.
What a fantastic way to market your ideas, dont tell anybody what it actually involves yet it is great, does wonders and you will gain gain gain.

Are you kind of not right in the head?

Why did you post this if you feel it's a waste of time. There are a lot more sources for DC's philosophies here and other places on the internet. Have you ever heard of search?

Big-Ron · 11-02-2005, 07:05 PM

Its sad to see that In-Human is having to defend/reason to people who are simply lazy, this shouldnt be required.

I mean we have a mellee of guys including IH, Dante, Massive G, Skip, Gollum, Future etc... who have more knowledge on training/bodybuilding SUCCESS than 90% of boards put together. We are privelged to have them, yet so many posts (more recently) are defensive ones (if so to speak) from Haters/bashers.

Give the guys a break, read a little before posting whiney comments, then we can appreicate the guys time to post quality info/opinions.

B-R

boldwarrior · 11-03-2005, 12:53 PM

this is by far the rudest site i have ever been to!! its crazy.
i will still try to keep searching, now that i have been givin some names to look up
i dont have time to search the net all day, i have a life outside of the internet
i have been lookin on this site nearly 4hrs now, and still its hard to find stuff.
maybe with those names you gave out i will have better luck, thanks Big-ron
Having no time and being Lazy are two different things, So stop being so friggin rude

derEikopf · 12-13-2005, 03:06 PM

Why not just put it all in a copy-protected PDF?

craig57 · 12-14-2005, 08:58 PM

why would dante have to go through all that trouble putting together the worlds biggest pdf if you can just use the search button to get what you need.

natedogg · 12-14-2005, 09:07 PM

Heh, I'm sure glad I copied all of the DC info before it was removed. For all the haters, hate all you want, but the results speak for themselves.

craig57 · 12-15-2005, 02:43 AM

boldwarrior go through gollums posts

he has very few posts so most of his posts are good information.

JustinMarquez · 12-15-2005, 10:24 AM

I have tons of info on DC training that I have gotten from other forums. Typically all it takes is typing in something to the effect of "DC Training" in a search engine and you can find info on it. If anyone wants a few pages of the baisc DC principles just PM me and I will send some links to you.

Brak · 12-23-2005, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In-Human

Ok here is the main problem, the posts and stickies that DC makes are taken out of context and a piece here and a piece there then posted on other boards where there are no trainees of DC that can help out and steer them in the right direction, so then you get some fool who cluster fucks what he read on another board, tries the program and then bashes it cause it did not work, there is no reason for this kind of bullshit any where. If the creator of his program wants it keep to himself so its not mis interperted, then so be it, DC has handed out 1000s of post to help out more than any other creator of any program for free online and in person. There are 1000s who have done this program from what they learned from the boards and many here to help out with questions about training, so no I do not see a problem, whining is part of the sport and we must live with it...

Hi All, I am new here and a Newbie as well. Been lifting about a year, mostly HST, minimal size gains, but pretty decent strength gains. Body composition and shape improved slightly but the tape measure has nat made a whole lot of movement. I suspect that is due to me trying to lower body fat at the same time as I am trying to gain muscle by eating sub-optimal calories and (from what I've read about DoggCrapp's recommendations) way too little protein. I've been doing .75-1.0 gram per pound of weight which for me is only 150 to 180 grams per day. Ok, enough of my story. On to the reason I am posting in this 6 month old sticky:

I have "heard about" a great program called DoggCrapp. After searching around and pulling up various posts on various boards I decided I need to go to the source. Not unlike HST, there is some misinformation out there if you don't get it straight from Bryan's keyboard or the trusted members on his board. So I come here only to find that all that is available to me is this misinformation on other sites because apparently the horse's mouth has been zipped shut. So, two thoughts:

1. regarding your post quoted above, In-Human: This program is already the stuff of internet legend...it is too late, you guys have done too well. People want to know about it and people will share. And if they can't get the correct information from the guys who really know it, then the problem you described will get worse, not better. I am the perfect example, I want to know about this program, I can probably search the internet and get some of it, but wouldn't it be better if I could come here, read a sticky and get the real program outline instead of some fool's internet bastardization of it. I will reapeat...if it is misinformation being spread on the internet that you or DC are worried about, it will get worse by doing what has been done here, not better.

2. So that leads to the problem of the personal trainee feeling ripped off. I don't think it would be right to ignore that, so I will address it. I agree with the original post in this thread...post some stickies that outline the program, but stay off the boards as much os possible. The reasoning was sound. People pay you guys as personal trainers, the key word being personal. You modify the program to their needs and based on their physiology personalize the diet and training to maximaize results. Unless you are doing this on a personal basis for me in the forum, based on my size, weight, metabolic rate 1rm's etc. etc. then there is no way a trainee should feel like I am getting for free what they are paying for. And even then it would be a porr substitute for the actual personal attention I would love to be able to afford from the likes of you or DC.

So, in conclusion, I believe the spread of misinformation would be reduced by giving the people of the world interested in your training protocols an official DC workout document to read. And who cares if it is write protected...if I want the real deal, not something someone has chopped up and "improved" (yeah right!) I will come to you guys. But since I cant' get that from you guys, I do end up having to look all over the internet and I probably will end up with some crap (instead of the real Crapp am looking for). And I realize you guys make your living off of paying customers, but also feel that they are getting a lot more for their money that I could get from a program outline (I'm sure you'd agree with that).

So what do you think?

Brak

**Doggcrapp** · 12-23-2005, 03:13 PM

Just to clarify--neither IH or myself make our living off of training people (its just work on the side)

In-Human · 12-23-2005, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Just to clarify--neither IH or myself make our living off of training people (its just work on the side)

Agreed 110%, I do this as DC does to help others get big with a program they have not tried in the past, no way does this on-line training support me, I try to help others with the experience I have gained in my years of this game, thats all...

Brak · 12-24-2005, 11:50 AM

Ah, I see...so if neither of you does personal training as your main source of income, then it should stand to reason that it would be even less of an issue to share at least the basic program with me (us). Like I said, I just want to get it from the guys who really know it instead of all the contradictory stuff I have been finding in my internet searches that say they are the DC training method, but obviously have been tweaked. So, lay it on me...consider it a Christmas gift (to some guy you don't even know, that only joined your board yesterday). Either way, have a Merry Chistmas, I am glad i found this site.

Brak

MsteveM · 12-24-2005, 12:09 PM

The information in the Dogg Pound is legitimate regarding DC training, so don't be afraid to use that search button...lol. Hire IH if you can - the help you'll get will be more than your money's worth.

sniffy54 · 12-26-2005, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brak

Ah, I see...so if neither of you does personal training as your main source of income, then it should stand to reason that it would be even less of an issue to share at least the basic program with me (us). Like I said, I just want to get it from the guys who really know it instead of all the contradictory stuff I have been finding in my internet searches that say they are the DC training method, but obviously have been tweaked. So, lay it on me...consider it a Christmas gift (to some guy you don't even know, that only joined your board yesterday). Either way, have a Merry Chistmas, I am glad i found this site.

Brak

brak not to blast you but i have to tell you like it is. i have been in the fitness industry for a while, and i have given much more than i have received--and i see this trend alot on the boards.

this training system is intellectual property of DC. it instructs you how to train, what to eat, etc--therefore its an education process.

when you go through an education process is it ever free? the last time i checked i paid for a science class it was $700 a credit. maybe i should have gone to the bursar's office and asked for a christmas gift, since we all have access to science books.

and the funny thing is--if you really research this site--you'll find the entire program.

Brak · 12-28-2005, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sniffy54

brak not to blast you but i have to tell you like it is. i have been in the fitness industry for a while, and i have given much more than i have received--and i see this trend alot on the boards.

this training system is intellectual property of DC. it instructs you how to train, what to eat, etc--therefore its an education process.

when you go through an education process is it ever free? the last time i checked i paid for a science class it was $700 a credit. maybe i should have gone to the bursar's office and asked for a christmas gift, since we all have access to science books.

and the funny thing is--if you really research this site--you'll find the entire program.

Sounds reasonable. But (you knew there would be a but, right?) it is a shame that this intellectual property was being given away for free recently and I just happen to be a bit late getting to the party. I suppose I will do as you and many others have suggested and use the old search button/google and try to cobble it together as best I can. I do understand intellectual property rights (signed more non-disclosure agreements than I care to to remember) and I think it is a testament to the efficacy of the program that it would become so wildly successful that DC would want to put a halt to the rampant free dissemination of his program all over the world. Now back to the main forum to start searching for Crapp to fill in the holes in the scraps I have already found! Thanks.

Brak

BOHICA · 03-01-2006, 07:34 PM

Hey DC I know you were trying to get alot of your stuff taken down just because of past problems, I know over at www.ironmass.com they have pretty much every basic article you wrote.

jtart2 · 06-15-2006, 08:00 PM

I've been reading this message board for a couple of weeks, but never bothered to post anything, until now.

I fully understand, Dante, your "pissed off" state and why you pulled your "stickies". I probably would have never put "stickies" up to start with.

If I were you, I'd use intensemuscle.com as my "public relations and marketing site". Why make chump-change selling protein to a few body-builders when you could package the "DC Training System".

You write a book, outline your history, your training methods, the DC diet, etc., and sell it to everyone. (Just like Arnold's "Enclyopedia")
Newbie teens would buy it, and so would guys like me (35 y/o male), as well as Pro Body-builders.

I don't think you can imagine how much money you'd rake in. You could make yourself a celebrity and market your protein sales in the book as well.

I'm not a Pro-bodybuilder, but I do know business ( I own two of them!)
I know your groupies on this site are going to blast me for this, but you should look out for your best interest while helping others in the process.

If you don't do it soon, one of your compadres is sure to make some minor changes, call it their own, and make the money that rightfully belongs to you.

Every day you delay is money you are losing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wreck · 06-16-2006, 09:59 AM

Is anyone familar with Wikipedia? It's awesome!

How about setting up a Wiki for DC training?

**Doggcrapp** · 06-16-2006, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtart2

I've been reading this message board for a couple of weeks, but never bothered to post anything, until now.

I fully understand, Dante, your "pissed off" state and why you pulled your "stickies". I probably would have never put "stickies" up to start with.

If I were you, I'd use intensemuscle.com as my "public relations and marketing site". Why make chump-change selling protein to a few body-builders when you could package the "DC Training System".

You write a book, outline your history, your training methods, the DC diet, etc., and sell it to everyone. (Just like Arnold's "Enclyopedia")
Newbie teens would buy it, and so would guys like me (35 y/o male), as well as Pro Body-builders.

I don't think you can imagine how much money you'd rake in. You could make yourself a celebrity and market your protein sales in the book as well.

I'm not a Pro-bodybuilder, but I do know business ( I own two of them!)
I know your groupies on this site are going to blast me for this, but you should look out for your best interest while helping others in the process.

If you don't do it soon, one of your compadres is sure to make some minor changes, call it their own, and make the money that rightfully belongs to you.

Every day you delay is money you are losing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has never been and never will be about money. I dont want to be the Tony Little of bodybuilding....nothing could make me unhappier than that.
This all came about from me trying to help people not make the same mistakes I did and also to try to get them away from the "obsessive compulsive way" people approach this sport.
I didnt set out with this thought "oh this looks like a great money making venture"....that makes me VERY ill just thinking about it. I dont care about books, or turning this into some kind of empire, or anything like that.
Its about this simply....
"Did I help turn you into the bodybuilder that you didnt think you could become?" Alot of you 5-6 years back said it was "dogshit", wouldnt work, a bunch of bullshit. Well I knew it would work because it turned a 140lb guy into a 300lb guy and it was turning the people around me down here in San Diego into large bodybuilders fast. So I never had a doubt and I take great satisfaction in showing someone "See I told you so it would work!" matter of factly.

I want to be rich, successful and wealthy yes (like everyone), but on my own terms, and those terms are putting out a top of the line product to "hardworking good people" which is Trueprotein. And I have some other ideas (related and unrelated to Trueprotein) in the works that I want to apply (and reach goals with). I dont want to water down DC training to make a buck because its not designed for a great many people out there.

1)Its for hardcore bodybuilders who are after rapid muscle mass accumalation with the goal of turning themselves into the best bodybuilder they can in the shortest amount of time.
2)It is absolutely NOT FOR the weekend quarterback, or Johnny Bench press who doesnt train legs and wants big arms so he can hang them out of his Iroc Z camaro with his wifebeater on.

Id rather make a comfortable living and have everyones respect than make double that and look like a sellout who was after a buck. If thats not 'understandable' to people, well Ive never been one that went by the normal trend of thought (i.e. DC Training) anyway

Khan · 06-16-2006, 07:59 PM

More of a side issue, but are you planning to add to the "Random thoughts by Dante (READ THIS)" thread?

It's easily my favorite thread on the board, I read it weekly.

(By the way, great post DC, absolutely awesome)

MiB · 06-17-2006, 02:43 PM

Dante, your attitude is one of the most beautiful. With that kind of thinking you will never ever have problems regarding success the way you define it. Great to see!

jtart2 · 06-17-2006, 04:24 PM

Dante, I fully respect your views, and understand why you would not want to "water down" your system and look like a "sell out".

OK, so forget the "celebrity" crap (no pun intended). However, I do not see how packaging your system into a nice, outlined format with detailed instructions on diet and excercises, and selling it in book form would be "selling out"?

There are more people than you think that would like to be privy to your knowledge on the subject of mass increase, without having to go to a message board and "search" for articles that you've written.

It is very time consuming to try to pick through the information you provide to discover the "secrets" to success (especially when you don't post them in the "stickies"). It is also difficult to put the pieces together when we get it from a second hand source, e.g. www.ironmass.com.

If you are not concerened with making a ton of money, but are concerned with helping "powerbuilders", I think using the PDF format and posting a "book" on this site to download would be an excellent idea. You could charge for the download or give it away for free, but I guarantee you would help more people that way (and maybe make some extra cash). That wouldn't make you a "sell out". People could still do "searches" on this message board for the "Random Thoughts", but after being in school for so many years, I'm used to having things written out.

I'm not trying to upset you, go against your beliefs, or hurt your reputation, but I am not opposed to paying someone who can help me achieve my goals, especially when I can refer to his information in a book as a reference.

Just a thought!

Thanks,
Joe

Khan · 06-18-2006, 12:02 AM

I think what a lot of people miss is there are so many things that go into tweaking the training to make it better for each person. Writing a book with the cookie cutter outline is not going to do anything but make the training look less fluid, and cause DC more headaches.

It is much better for DC to just train the person directly and let those results speak for the system. He doesn't go shouting DC Training to the world either, people come to it through word of mouth as they always have.

12-14-2005, 08:58 PM	#31
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12-14-2005, 09:07 PM	#32
natedogg Bantamweight Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 91	Heh, I'm sure glad I copied all of the DC info before it was removed. For all the haters, hate all you want, but the results speak for themselves. __________________ http://anabolicminds.com/forum/index...ferrerid=10818

12-15-2005, 02:43 AM	#33
craig57 Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ewa Beach, Hawaii Posts: 893	boldwarrior go through gollums posts he has very few posts so most of his posts are good information. __________________ Trueprotein discount: CRS706 Comin' atcha like Cleopatra !!!

12-23-2005, 03:13 PM	#36
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12-24-2005, 12:09 PM	#39
MsteveM DC Q & A Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,997	The information in the Dogg Pound is legitimate regarding DC training, so don't be afraid to use that search button...lol. Hire IH if you can - the help you'll get will be more than your money's worth. __________________ www.trueprotein.com www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/ "Those who do not beleive in the impossible, should not distract those who are already doing it" "if we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" Note: i'm not an expert, but i'm probably right. "Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine." - the skeptic's dictionary about urine therapy.

11-02-2005, 06:49 PM	#26
boldwarrior New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 14	so, being a new person to this site, no chance whatsoever to meet DC as i live in australia, it seems pointless being here if i dont know what DC's principles on training are. Why wast my time, (Dial up = long time for pages to load) looking up forums pages if the principles will not be there?? from what i have read so far, its not posted on this forum. Therefore if i read any more , i wont know what you guys are talking about. What a fantastic way to market your ideas, dont tell anybody what it actually involves yet it is great, does wonders and you will gain gain gain.

11-02-2005, 07:05 PM	#28
Big-Ron Lightweight Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London Posts: 325	Its sad to see that In-Human is having to defend/reason to people who are simply lazy, this shouldnt be required. I mean we have a mellee of guys including IH, Dante, Massive G, Skip, Gollum, Future etc... who have more knowledge on training/bodybuilding SUCCESS than 90% of boards put together. We are privelged to have them, yet so many posts (more recently) are defensive ones (if so to speak) from Haters/bashers. Give the guys a break, read a little before posting whiney comments, then we can appreicate the guys time to post quality info/opinions. B-R

11-03-2005, 12:53 PM	#29
boldwarrior New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 14	this is by far the rudest site i have ever been to!! its crazy. i will still try to keep searching, now that i have been givin some names to look up i dont have time to search the net all day, i have a life outside of the internet i have been lookin on this site nearly 4hrs now, and still its hard to find stuff. maybe with those names you gave out i will have better luck, thanks Big-ron Having no time and being Lazy are two different things, So stop being so friggin rude

12-13-2005, 03:06 PM	#30
derEikopf New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1	Why not just put it all in a copy-protected PDF?

12-15-2005, 10:24 AM	#34
JustinMarquez New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 50	I have tons of info on DC training that I have gotten from other forums. Typically all it takes is typing in something to the effect of "DC Training" in a search engine and you can find info on it. If anyone wants a few pages of the baisc DC principles just PM me and I will send some links to you.

12-24-2005, 11:50 AM	#38
Brak Bantamweight Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 122	Ah, I see...so if neither of you does personal training as your main source of income, then it should stand to reason that it would be even less of an issue to share at least the basic program with me (us). Like I said, I just want to get it from the guys who really know it instead of all the contradictory stuff I have been finding in my internet searches that say they are the DC training method, but obviously have been tweaked. So, lay it on me...consider it a Christmas gift (to some guy you don't even know, that only joined your board yesterday). Either way, have a Merry Chistmas, I am glad i found this site. Brak

03-01-2006, 07:34 PM	#42
BOHICA Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 248	Hey DC I know you were trying to get alot of your stuff taken down just because of past problems, I know over at www.ironmass.com they have pretty much every basic article you wrote. __________________ "No citizen has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training.... What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." -Socrates Be sure to use coupon code BOHICA when purchasing your products from www.trueprotein.com

06-15-2006, 08:00 PM	#43
jtart2 New Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Raleigh Posts: 60	Dante, use your brain and your musle to make millions I've been reading this message board for a couple of weeks, but never bothered to post anything, until now. I fully understand, Dante, your "pissed off" state and why you pulled your "stickies". I probably would have never put "stickies" up to start with. If I were you, I'd use intensemuscle.com as my "public relations and marketing site". Why make chump-change selling protein to a few body-builders when you could package the "DC Training System". You write a book, outline your history, your training methods, the DC diet, etc., and sell it to everyone. (Just like Arnold's "Enclyopedia") Newbie teens would buy it, and so would guys like me (35 y/o male), as well as Pro Body-builders. I don't think you can imagine how much money you'd rake in. You could make yourself a celebrity and market your protein sales in the book as well. I'm not a Pro-bodybuilder, but I do know business ( I own two of them!) I know your groupies on this site are going to blast me for this, but you should look out for your best interest while helping others in the process. If you don't do it soon, one of your compadres is sure to make some minor changes, call it their own, and make the money that rightfully belongs to you. Every day you delay is money you are losing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

06-16-2006, 09:59 AM	#44
Wreck New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 62	Wiki Is anyone familar with Wikipedia? It's awesome! How about setting up a Wiki for DC training?

06-16-2006, 07:59 PM	#46
Khan Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Casa Grande, Arizona Posts: 1,063	More of a side issue, but are you planning to add to the "Random thoughts by Dante (READ THIS)" thread? It's easily my favorite thread on the board, I read it weekly. (By the way, great post DC, absolutely awesome) __________________ 5'8'', 251 lbs. Last edited by Khan : 06-17-2006 at 02:50 PM.

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06-17-2006, 02:43 PM	#47
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06-17-2006, 04:24 PM	#48
jtart2 New Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Raleigh Posts: 60	Re-visit Dante, I fully respect your views, and understand why you would not want to "water down" your system and look like a "sell out". OK, so forget the "celebrity" crap (no pun intended). However, I do not see how packaging your system into a nice, outlined format with detailed instructions on diet and excercises, and selling it in book form would be "selling out"? There are more people than you think that would like to be privy to your knowledge on the subject of mass increase, without having to go to a message board and "search" for articles that you've written. It is very time consuming to try to pick through the information you provide to discover the "secrets" to success (especially when you don't post them in the "stickies"). It is also difficult to put the pieces together when we get it from a second hand source, e.g. www.ironmass.com. If you are not concerened with making a ton of money, but are concerned with helping "powerbuilders", I think using the PDF format and posting a "book" on this site to download would be an excellent idea. You could charge for the download or give it away for free, but I guarantee you would help more people that way (and maybe make some extra cash). That wouldn't make you a "sell out". People could still do "searches" on this message board for the "Random Thoughts", but after being in school for so many years, I'm used to having things written out. I'm not trying to upset you, go against your beliefs, or hurt your reputation, but I am not opposed to paying someone who can help me achieve my goals, especially when I can refer to his information in a book as a reference. Just a thought! Thanks, Joe

06-18-2006, 12:02 AM	#49
Khan Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Casa Grande, Arizona Posts: 1,063	I think what a lot of people miss is there are so many things that go into tweaking the training to make it better for each person. Writing a book with the cookie cutter outline is not going to do anything but make the training look less fluid, and cause DC more headaches. It is much better for DC to just train the person directly and let those results speak for the system. He doesn't go shouting DC Training to the world either, people come to it through word of mouth as they always have. __________________ 5'8'', 251 lbs.