Super Stacks

**SweatMachine** · 03-13-2004, 01:56 AM

One of the most common steroid questions Testosterone receives is, "What 'roids should I stack together for optimal results?" In this article, I'll provide several stacking protocols based on feedback sent to me over the years by T-mag readers.

Remember that the effects reported from these androgen stacks are purely anecdotal.

While science is always something I tend to side with, it?s difficult to argue with firsthand experiences. Therefore, it?s important to take what people experience and then try to use science to validate what's occurring, or at the very least provide a clue as to why certain effects occur.

For instance, something I noticed while compiling this info was the variance in "feel effect" of various androgens. In other words, those that seemed to impart hypertrophy in a short amount of time were preferred over those androgens which were less associated with hypertrophy and more associated with satellite cell activation. (I go into more detail about this in my Triple Shot article.) This may affect how some people judge the "best" stacks, so just keep that in mind.

The Stacks

1. Trenbolone and Testosterone

Most seemed to have favorable effects when taking at least 300-700 mg/week along with 240-500 mg/week of Testosterone. The most reported benefits were a substantial increase in muscle mass, a decrease in body fat, and only a moderate level of edema (fluid retention).

Over a six week period, one person reported going from 185 pounds at 11% body fat to 208 pounds at 8% body fat, although he did admit that he started the cycle after not training for four weeks as well as previously following a somewhat poor diet. Even so, this is pretty damn impressive. Strength increases were near the top as compared to other stacks.

2. Trenbolone and Methandrostenolone (D-bol)

Trenbolone again was in the range of 300-700 mg/week while the methandrostenolone dosage ranged from 105-350 mg/week. This particular stack was reported as being one of the most noticeable in terms of a "pump" or "feel effect."

3. Trenbolone and Stanozolol (Winstrol)

This stack, while not producing as much of a rapid increase in lean body mass, is typically favored when reducing fat mass is the main goal. Even so, significant gains were made with little edema occurring. Loss of fat mass was typically seen as well. Trenbolone dosages were again 300-700 mg/week while stanozolol dosages were between 350-700 mg/week.

4. Oxymetholone (Anadrol) and Stanozolol

This particular stack seemed to be popular in terms of experiencing quick strength gains and rapid increases in weight. However, it can lead to edema. Oxymetholone was reported in the range of 350-700 mg/week and stanozolol was typically in the same range.

5. Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca) and Methandrostenolone

This stack was one of the most popular in terms of producing an increase in hypertrophy but the strength gains weren?t as impressive for most people. Dosages ranged from 400-1,000 mg/week of nandrolone with 105-350 mg/week of methandrostenolone.

Side note: Methenolone and boldenone stacked with either stanozolol or methandrostenolone in place of nandrolone seemed to be preferred amongst those who?d used those combinations. Overall though, the popularity went to nandrolone decanoate being stacked with stanozolol or methandrostenolone.

I?m guessing this is true because "deca" is such a common reference regarding anabolic steroids, even amongst those who don?t know much about them. In other words, even Mr. Natural at the gym knows what "deca" is.

6. Testosterone and Methandrostenolone

This stack seemed to have the same popularity as the deca and D-bol stack, although, in this case, edema and gynecomastia (bitch tits) were reported. Unfortunately, not everyone knows to use anti-estrogens or aromatase inhibitors when using such androgens. Common dosages were 500-2,000 mg/week of Testosterone and 105-350 mg/week of methandrostenolone.

7. Testosterone and Stanozolol

This stack seemed to be slightly less popular, probably because it's missing the "pump" D-bol is so famous for producing in a short period of time. Common dosages were 500-2,000 mg/week of Testosterone and 350-700 mg/week of stanozolol. Strength gains were impressive.

8. Testosterone as a Stand-alone

Testosterone as a stand-alone at dosages of 500-2,000 mg/week was pretty popular.

A substantial increase in sex drive and considerable gains in muscle mass, with a slight decrease in fat mass, were reported. The effects were still less pronounced than the trenbolone/Testosterone stack, however. Strength gains, while not being as impressive as trenbolone, were still very significant.

9. Trenbolone as a Stand-alone

Common dosages seemed to be in the range of 300-750 mg/week. Strength gains were again impressive and lean body mass gains were considered moderate. A significant reduction in fat mass was common. Using trenbolone by itself wasn't as popular as using Test by itself, probably because many report a decrease in sex drive which didn't return for some time after discontinuation of tren use.

10. Oxymetholone as a Stand-alone

Common dosages were 350-700 mg/week. Gains in lean body mass were substantial and a very slight decrease in fat mass was reported. A significant increase in strength was also seen. The two problems most commonly seen were progestagenic gynecomastia and edema.

11. Methandrostenolone as a Stand-alone

Common dosages were 350-700 mg/week. Edema wasn't much of an issue, but gynecomastia did seem to occur with a few people. Gains were pretty close to the level reported with oxymetholone. Strength gains, as compared to oxymetholone, were substantially lower.

12. Stanozolol as a Stand-alone

Dosages ranged from 350-1,500 mg/week. Gains in lean body mass seemed to be moderate while a significant reduction in fat mass was seen. Edema wasn?t an issue. At the higher end of the range, people seemed to experience some really impressive results in terms of fat mass reduction. Strength gains were also significant.

13. Methenolone as a Stand-alone

Dosages used were in the range of 600-2,000 mg/week. Edema wasn't an issue and a substantial increase in lean body mass was seen along with a moderate reduction in fat mass. This was probably one of the lowest in terms of people reporting the "feel effect." In general, most didn?t report any shocking strength increases.

14. Oxandrolone as a Stand-alone

Dosages ranged from 100-700 mg/week. Edema wasn?t an issue. Most users reported only a very moderate increase in lean body mass, but a rather significant reduction in fat mass. This again was one of the lowest in terms of "feel effect."

15. Fluoxymesterone (Halotestin) as a Stand-alone

Dosages ranged from 100-500 mg/week. A moderate increase in lean body mass was seen, as was a moderate reduction in fat mass. Strength gains were noteworthy.

Conclusion and an Important Reminder

So, based on reader feedback, it looks like the trenbolone/Testosterone stack ranks the highest, with Fluoxymesterone ranking the lowest when used as a stand-alone drug.

A quick reminder: don't forget the anti-estrogens or aromatase inhibitors when using certain androgens!

Vegeta · 03-13-2004, 10:27 AM

Great thread SM !

**SuperSport** · 03-13-2004, 10:46 PM

Just wondering about some opinions about stacking test E at 1 gram per week, EQ @ 600mg/wk and tren @500mg/wk, 10-12 weeks in length...anybody ever run these compounds together before?

**SweatMachine** · 03-14-2004, 11:38 PM

I doing those supps at very close to those doses now, only I porefer to stay on longer than 12 weeks. 20weeks is my minimum. I feel good on these levels for pre contest. soo I'll drop the test and pick up WV, then Prop and Masteron and Anavar as I drop the EQ somewhere around my last 6 weeks.

**SuperSport** · 03-14-2004, 11:59 PM

Glad to hear a knowledge bro with mucho experience likes this set up....I am going to run the same thing starting in 3 weeks.

As a note I am using Test E as a base year round at 1 gram/week....will add the EQ and tren at 12 week intervals.

mikhal · 03-27-2004, 08:23 AM

I'm experiencing killa weight loss, fat loss and crazy strength gains on 321mg a week of Tren, 300mg a week of EQ, 400mg a week of masteron, and 50mg of winnie ED. This seems to work really well for staying down in weight and going through tha roof in strength.I'm doing this cycle for 12 weeks take off for 8 weeks and jump back on what do ya think, does that sound about right. I know somebody's going say " throw in some Test", but Test adds weight on me and takes me outta my weight division( which ain't cool). I 've been on for 9 weeks so far and I have'nt had any problems with anything so far( fina dick and such), at this point I'm love'n this cycle.I'd like to take tha winne out for weeks 8-9 and run Halo for weeks 10 - 12 at 12.5 or 15 mg ED what do ya think?

Hanuman · 09-04-2004, 06:36 PM

I am only now discovering this article. Its one of the better ones that I have ever seen on stacking , thank you.

03-13-2004, 01:56 AM	#1
SweatMachine Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If my foot was up your ass, you'd know exactly where I was ! Posts: 7,529	Super Stacks One of the most common steroid questions Testosterone receives is, "What 'roids should I stack together for optimal results?" In this article, I'll provide several stacking protocols based on feedback sent to me over the years by T-mag readers. Remember that the effects reported from these androgen stacks are purely anecdotal. While science is always something I tend to side with, it?s difficult to argue with firsthand experiences. Therefore, it?s important to take what people experience and then try to use science to validate what's occurring, or at the very least provide a clue as to why certain effects occur. For instance, something I noticed while compiling this info was the variance in "feel effect" of various androgens. In other words, those that seemed to impart hypertrophy in a short amount of time were preferred over those androgens which were less associated with hypertrophy and more associated with satellite cell activation. (I go into more detail about this in my Triple Shot article.) This may affect how some people judge the "best" stacks, so just keep that in mind. The Stacks 1. Trenbolone and Testosterone Most seemed to have favorable effects when taking at least 300-700 mg/week along with 240-500 mg/week of Testosterone. The most reported benefits were a substantial increase in muscle mass, a decrease in body fat, and only a moderate level of edema (fluid retention). Over a six week period, one person reported going from 185 pounds at 11% body fat to 208 pounds at 8% body fat, although he did admit that he started the cycle after not training for four weeks as well as previously following a somewhat poor diet. Even so, this is pretty damn impressive. Strength increases were near the top as compared to other stacks. 2. Trenbolone and Methandrostenolone (D-bol) Trenbolone again was in the range of 300-700 mg/week while the methandrostenolone dosage ranged from 105-350 mg/week. This particular stack was reported as being one of the most noticeable in terms of a "pump" or "feel effect." 3. Trenbolone and Stanozolol (Winstrol) This stack, while not producing as much of a rapid increase in lean body mass, is typically favored when reducing fat mass is the main goal. Even so, significant gains were made with little edema occurring. Loss of fat mass was typically seen as well. Trenbolone dosages were again 300-700 mg/week while stanozolol dosages were between 350-700 mg/week. 4. Oxymetholone (Anadrol) and Stanozolol This particular stack seemed to be popular in terms of experiencing quick strength gains and rapid increases in weight. However, it can lead to edema. Oxymetholone was reported in the range of 350-700 mg/week and stanozolol was typically in the same range. 5. Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca) and Methandrostenolone This stack was one of the most popular in terms of producing an increase in hypertrophy but the strength gains weren?t as impressive for most people. Dosages ranged from 400-1,000 mg/week of nandrolone with 105-350 mg/week of methandrostenolone. Side note: Methenolone and boldenone stacked with either stanozolol or methandrostenolone in place of nandrolone seemed to be preferred amongst those who?d used those combinations. Overall though, the popularity went to nandrolone decanoate being stacked with stanozolol or methandrostenolone. I?m guessing this is true because "deca" is such a common reference regarding anabolic steroids, even amongst those who don?t know much about them. In other words, even Mr. Natural at the gym knows what "deca" is. 6. Testosterone and Methandrostenolone This stack seemed to have the same popularity as the deca and D-bol stack, although, in this case, edema and gynecomastia (bitch tits) were reported. Unfortunately, not everyone knows to use anti-estrogens or aromatase inhibitors when using such androgens. Common dosages were 500-2,000 mg/week of Testosterone and 105-350 mg/week of methandrostenolone. 7. Testosterone and Stanozolol This stack seemed to be slightly less popular, probably because it's missing the "pump" D-bol is so famous for producing in a short period of time. Common dosages were 500-2,000 mg/week of Testosterone and 350-700 mg/week of stanozolol. Strength gains were impressive. 8. Testosterone as a Stand-alone Testosterone as a stand-alone at dosages of 500-2,000 mg/week was pretty popular. A substantial increase in sex drive and considerable gains in muscle mass, with a slight decrease in fat mass, were reported. The effects were still less pronounced than the trenbolone/Testosterone stack, however. Strength gains, while not being as impressive as trenbolone, were still very significant. 9. Trenbolone as a Stand-alone Common dosages seemed to be in the range of 300-750 mg/week. Strength gains were again impressive and lean body mass gains were considered moderate. A significant reduction in fat mass was common. Using trenbolone by itself wasn't as popular as using Test by itself, probably because many report a decrease in sex drive which didn't return for some time after discontinuation of tren use. 10. Oxymetholone as a Stand-alone Common dosages were 350-700 mg/week. Gains in lean body mass were substantial and a very slight decrease in fat mass was reported. A significant increase in strength was also seen. The two problems most commonly seen were progestagenic gynecomastia and edema. 11. Methandrostenolone as a Stand-alone Common dosages were 350-700 mg/week. Edema wasn't much of an issue, but gynecomastia did seem to occur with a few people. Gains were pretty close to the level reported with oxymetholone. Strength gains, as compared to oxymetholone, were substantially lower. 12. Stanozolol as a Stand-alone Dosages ranged from 350-1,500 mg/week. Gains in lean body mass seemed to be moderate while a significant reduction in fat mass was seen. Edema wasn?t an issue. At the higher end of the range, people seemed to experience some really impressive results in terms of fat mass reduction. Strength gains were also significant. 13. Methenolone as a Stand-alone Dosages used were in the range of 600-2,000 mg/week. Edema wasn't an issue and a substantial increase in lean body mass was seen along with a moderate reduction in fat mass. This was probably one of the lowest in terms of people reporting the "feel effect." In general, most didn?t report any shocking strength increases. 14. Oxandrolone as a Stand-alone Dosages ranged from 100-700 mg/week. Edema wasn?t an issue. Most users reported only a very moderate increase in lean body mass, but a rather significant reduction in fat mass. This again was one of the lowest in terms of "feel effect." 15. Fluoxymesterone (Halotestin) as a Stand-alone Dosages ranged from 100-500 mg/week. A moderate increase in lean body mass was seen, as was a moderate reduction in fat mass. Strength gains were noteworthy. Conclusion and an Important Reminder So, based on reader feedback, it looks like the trenbolone/Testosterone stack ranks the highest, with Fluoxymesterone ranking the lowest when used as a stand-alone drug. A quick reminder: don't forget the anti-estrogens or aromatase inhibitors when using certain androgens! __________________ SweatMachine (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen) "I've got blood on my hands and there's no remorse" email: intense-fitness@hotmail.com Trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price

03-13-2004, 10:27 AM	#2
Vegeta Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 64	Great thread SM ! __________________ Vegeta prince of all Sayains !

03-13-2004, 10:46 PM	#3
SuperSport Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carolina Beach, NC Posts: 2,358	Just wondering about some opinions about stacking test E at 1 gram per week, EQ @ 600mg/wk and tren @500mg/wk, 10-12 weeks in length...anybody ever run these compounds together before? __________________ Admin@ http://www.proactivehealthnet.com " We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake" Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize Winner in Chemistry for inventing the Polymerase Chain Reaction "The fact is that you can not start off with bad science and end up with good medicine"

03-14-2004, 11:38 PM	#4
SweatMachine Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If my foot was up your ass, you'd know exactly where I was ! Posts: 7,529	I doing those supps at very close to those doses now, only I porefer to stay on longer than 12 weeks. 20weeks is my minimum. I feel good on these levels for pre contest. soo I'll drop the test and pick up WV, then Prop and Masteron and Anavar as I drop the EQ somewhere around my last 6 weeks. __________________ SweatMachine (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen) "I've got blood on my hands and there's no remorse" email: intense-fitness@hotmail.com Trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price

03-14-2004, 11:59 PM	#5
SuperSport Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carolina Beach, NC Posts: 2,358	Glad to hear a knowledge bro with mucho experience likes this set up....I am going to run the same thing starting in 3 weeks. As a note I am using Test E as a base year round at 1 gram/week....will add the EQ and tren at 12 week intervals. __________________ Admin@ http://www.proactivehealthnet.com " We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake" Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize Winner in Chemistry for inventing the Polymerase Chain Reaction "The fact is that you can not start off with bad science and end up with good medicine"

03-27-2004, 08:23 AM	#6
mikhal Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tha HOOD Posts: 38	I'm experiencing killa weight loss, fat loss and crazy strength gains on 321mg a week of Tren, 300mg a week of EQ, 400mg a week of masteron, and 50mg of winnie ED. This seems to work really well for staying down in weight and going through tha roof in strength.I'm doing this cycle for 12 weeks take off for 8 weeks and jump back on what do ya think, does that sound about right. I know somebody's going say " throw in some Test", but Test adds weight on me and takes me outta my weight division( which ain't cool). I 've been on for 9 weeks so far and I have'nt had any problems with anything so far( fina dick and such), at this point I'm love'n this cycle.I'd like to take tha winne out for weeks 8-9 and run Halo for weeks 10 - 12 at 12.5 or 15 mg ED what do ya think? __________________ Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy, Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!! Last edited by mikhal : 03-27-2004 at 08:26 AM.

09-04-2004, 06:36 PM	#7
Hanuman Lightweight Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Brazil ! Posts: 466	I am only now discovering this article. Its one of the better ones that I have ever seen on stacking , thank you. __________________ Stay Hard and Get Huge ! Whatever you can do or dream you can do, begin it. Boldness has genius , power and magic in it. Begin it now. - Goethe

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