How to cure shoulder problems (Trust me this will do it 90% of the time)

**Doggcrapp** · 01-22-2005, 08:05 PM

With a large towel or broomstick I want you to hold it with straight arms for the entire time of what i describe in the following movement--a large "rolled up like a rope" beach towel works good but honestly a longer broomstick (without the bristles) works best in my opinion. Start out with it with a really wide grip (with straight arms) in front of you (on your quads) and with straight arms bring it up and overhead and then down and back to the middle of your back--STRAIGHT ARMS ALL THE WAY--this is going to be very difficult and hard the first couple times out and then will be "old hat" with time----and its going to be painful in a stretching pump kind of way---i want 50 reps each time you do this--one repetition is from in front of your face (all with straight arms) to up overhead and back, and then down all the way to the middle of your back and then back up overhead to in front of your face again (again all with straight arms)--the important part of the movement is the area overhead that is really tight--do all of this carefully/slowly---dont just whip it over and back---if your hand is slipping off the broomstick even with the widest grip, or you cant bring your arms over straight and the start bending on you, you have some serious shoulder inflexibility and need to work this hard and get up to speed (or you could just need a longer broomstick too)--again do all of these revolutions controlled and carefully--push into the stretch as you go along toward the 50 revolutions, your chest will be pushing outward and your shoulders rolling back--your shoulders are going to blow up with so much blood its going to be incredibly painfull pumpwise--Do this once a day at nite as many times a week as you can---sometimes I have people do it every single day---but every time you do it try to move your grip inward (thats the key)----its going to be very hard to do but try your best to move your grip inward for the next 2-4 weeks and your range of motion with shoulders will increase dramatically and any impingement and the majority of other problems should be gone in 2 weeks--also try to move your grip in as you are doing the 50 revolutions--start off with a stretching but relatively easy 10 to warm up some, then try to move your grip in even by a centimeter if you can for the next 20 revolutions and then at 30 try to move the grip in another centimeter--really try to push what you can do stretchwise once your warmed up here--trust me this sounds easy but your going to be muttering "fuck you dante" after you get to your 25th revolution--Ive cured too many shoulder problems with this simple movement now its pretty ridiculous, and this and a menthol rub applied liberally daily and before sleep has cured alot of shoulder/bicepital tendonitis in trainees ---Heres a pic attached to this post so you can get an idea (thanks to a trainee of mine who cured his shoulders with this)--but remember the broomstick goes overhead and all the way back to the middle of the back (he just drew the start of the movement when you begin)

Tyson23 · 01-22-2005, 08:22 PM

Thanks DC for this i have a nagging right shoulder that isnt as bad as some of the guys have on this board but it does act up here and there. The question i have is if your doing this wont you be one sore mofo the next day to train shoulders if it happens to be a upperbody day the next day? Just curious to how it affects training cucz i can imagine 50repps like that really hurting especially if you have a bad shoulder.

BenGrowing · 01-22-2005, 08:22 PM

Another priceless post DC. I definitely better start up some of these, as I've got some pretty inflexible shoulders. Thanks a ton, bro.

kwyckemynd00 · 01-22-2005, 08:38 PM

Thanks DC, but I don't understand what you mean when you say "all the way back to the hams." The way I'm reading it, you want us to have a near 360degree motion with shoulders and the whole time with arms being the same distance apart on the broom? LOL. If so, this will take a LOOOOONG time for me

Any advice on knees? :p

nlargingshadow · 01-22-2005, 08:48 PM

I did about six of those, and wanted to run that damn broom up someone's ass!! LOL!!

nlargingshadow · 01-22-2005, 08:51 PM

But seriously, it was hard to keep my arms straight coming back over my head. A major stretch too. My left shoulder clicks all the time on alot of overhead presses, so hope this helps. Thanks

**Doggcrapp** · 01-22-2005, 08:57 PM

arms straight the whole way--and if you cant keep arms straight you have to widen the grip and/or get a longer broomstick (dont be gripping the broomstick with tights fists--let it roll thru your fingers if it has to as you go up and back)--i only hold onto it with my middle and pointer fingers and thumb

nlargingshadow · 01-22-2005, 09:13 PM

I see what u mean, I'm working shoulders in an hour or so, so I'll do them after lifting. I imagine doing them after being plenty warmed up will do the trick.

Tyson23 · 01-22-2005, 09:23 PM

i did a few and i can picture my shoulders being very sore... great exercise DC thanks i had to grab pretty wide but with time i hope to be able to narror it more and more. But still curiosu about the question i had above when you get a chance if you can answer that..... thanks

BeeJ · 01-22-2005, 09:29 PM

So can this replace the military press as one of your primary shoulder exercises?

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist after the last thread you started about people misinterpretting things.

USMuscle9403 · 01-22-2005, 09:33 PM

Dante told me to do these 500 times each night before bed and every morning before breakfast...this means you should too.

Thors · 01-22-2005, 09:39 PM

OMG, I suck! This'll take some time...

BeeJ · 01-22-2005, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thors

OMG, I suck! This'll take some time...

I just did it with a beach towel and I got to about 25 and I had to stop from the pain. My rotators suck ass! This really blasted/stretched the hell out of my pec insertions at the anterior delt as well. Good stuff, thanks a lot DC!

**KidRok** · 01-22-2005, 10:14 PM

I am the king of shoulder inflexability! All I can say is ouch!

ApoCz · 01-22-2005, 10:26 PM

Man, I just did a couple with the trusty stick I've got from when I had to do physio back exercises... and man 50 would hurt like fuck!

FlexnIt · 01-22-2005, 10:30 PM

Thanks alot Dante! My shoulder has bothered me for over a year and after being stuffed into a tube for a MRI Tuesday, I found out that nothing is torn. I will absolutley work on this movement.

kwyckemynd00 · 01-22-2005, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMuscle9403

Dante told me to do these 500 times each night before bed and every morning before breakfast...this means you should too.

LOL. Sarcasm has to be the greatest of all human mannerisms.

**Doggcrapp** · 01-23-2005, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyson23

Thanks DC for this i have a nagging right shoulder that isnt as bad as some of the guys have on this board but it does act up here and there. The question i have is if your doing this wont you be one sore mofo the next day to train shoulders if it happens to be a upperbody day the next day? Just curious to how it affects training cucz i can imagine 50repps like that really hurting especially if you have a bad shoulder.

Id plan ahead tyson and do it around working shoulders--id skip the day before maybe and skip the day after but do it after working shoulders (while still warmed up--maybe when you got home from gym) and then on all the other days

LOL to benj and usmuscle (im increasing usmuscles to 50000 revolutions)

esvux · 01-23-2005, 03:01 AM

Im shit at these. Gonna need a 7ft oly bar at this rate. Shoulders are bad, bad, bad

Look forward to trying this, thanks.

edit: Just tried it with a pair of jeans, need the 'give' they provide. Hopefully can move onto a stick soon. Feels damn good thanks again.

jimpaul · 01-23-2005, 03:12 AM

It reminds me of the stretch (quick one) that Dorian did. Except, true to Dante style, much more brutal.

eru · 01-23-2005, 03:51 AM

Is there a certain width between hands that we should be aiming for when doing this? I know the narrower the better in terms of flexability but how narrow is 'normal'?

Big-Ron · 01-23-2005, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimpaul

It reminds me of the stretch (quick one) that Dorian did. Except, true to Dante style, much more brutal.

lol, ive been doing those since i saw Dorian doing them in blood n guts, really works wonders. Also helped with getting the flexibility for squatting within my shoulders.

In-Human · 01-23-2005, 11:28 AM

I have been doing this for almost 5 months now and when I started I could not reach all the way back to hit my Hams, I have to use a large exercise rubber band for width reasons and now I have no problem with going heavy on chest and shoulder presses again, I help others with lots of shoulder and back related injuries and this one exercise along with a few others for shoulders have fixed almost everyones problems so far to date...

Grammostola · 01-23-2005, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

The way I'm reading it, you want us to have a near 360degree motion with shoulders and the whole time with arms being the same distance apart on the broom? LOL. If so, this will take a LOOOOONG time for me

Same with me.

quads-->overhead = 180°
Overhead-->hams = 180°
180°+180° = 360° = Ouch!

35 Thats it. Dammit, it HURTS.... Gonna love this!

**Doggcrapp** · 01-23-2005, 01:08 PM

guys im really sorry, im on such low carbs come saturdays my brain seriously is shot lately and im making dumb mistakes, I had to edit my post above. If you use a beach towel or something similiar when you get overhead and down it will sag near your butt/ hamstrings ........but with a broomstick it wont go near that-it will go to the middle of your back and then back up again---really really sorry bout that---reread it now it should be clear-----with a broomstick the revolution should be about a half circle ---see the picture up above---that position exactly should be where you start your revolution once your warmed up with a broomstick and it should go overhead and down/back to a point halfway down that guys back, then back to start---is that clearer?

01-22-2005, 08:05 PM	#1
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,992	How to cure shoulder problems (Trust me this will do it 90% of the time) With a large towel or broomstick I want you to hold it with straight arms for the entire time of what i describe in the following movement--a large "rolled up like a rope" beach towel works good but honestly a longer broomstick (without the bristles) works best in my opinion. Start out with it with a really wide grip (with straight arms) in front of you (on your quads) and with straight arms bring it up and overhead and then down and back to the middle of your back--STRAIGHT ARMS ALL THE WAY--this is going to be very difficult and hard the first couple times out and then will be "old hat" with time----and its going to be painful in a stretching pump kind of way---i want 50 reps each time you do this--one repetition is from in front of your face (all with straight arms) to up overhead and back, and then down all the way to the middle of your back and then back up overhead to in front of your face again (again all with straight arms)--the important part of the movement is the area overhead that is really tight--do all of this carefully/slowly---dont just whip it over and back---if your hand is slipping off the broomstick even with the widest grip, or you cant bring your arms over straight and the start bending on you, you have some serious shoulder inflexibility and need to work this hard and get up to speed (or you could just need a longer broomstick too)--again do all of these revolutions controlled and carefully--push into the stretch as you go along toward the 50 revolutions, your chest will be pushing outward and your shoulders rolling back--your shoulders are going to blow up with so much blood its going to be incredibly painfull pumpwise--Do this once a day at nite as many times a week as you can---sometimes I have people do it every single day---but every time you do it try to move your grip inward (thats the key)----its going to be very hard to do but try your best to move your grip inward for the next 2-4 weeks and your range of motion with shoulders will increase dramatically and any impingement and the majority of other problems should be gone in 2 weeks--also try to move your grip in as you are doing the 50 revolutions--start off with a stretching but relatively easy 10 to warm up some, then try to move your grip in even by a centimeter if you can for the next 20 revolutions and then at 30 try to move the grip in another centimeter--really try to push what you can do stretchwise once your warmed up here--trust me this sounds easy but your going to be muttering "fuck you dante" after you get to your 25th revolution--Ive cured too many shoulder problems with this simple movement now its pretty ridiculous, and this and a menthol rub applied liberally daily and before sleep has cured alot of shoulder/bicepital tendonitis in trainees ---Heres a pic attached to this post so you can get an idea (thanks to a trainee of mine who cured his shoulders with this)--but remember the broomstick goes overhead and all the way back to the middle of the back (he just drew the start of the movement when you begin) __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com Last edited by Doggcrapp : 01-23-2005 at 01:01 PM.

01-22-2005, 08:22 PM	#2
Tyson23 Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX Posts: 461	Thanks DC for this i have a nagging right shoulder that isnt as bad as some of the guys have on this board but it does act up here and there. The question i have is if your doing this wont you be one sore mofo the next day to train shoulders if it happens to be a upperbody day the next day? Just curious to how it affects training cucz i can imagine 50repps like that really hurting especially if you have a bad shoulder. __________________ Troponin Nutrition

01-22-2005, 08:57 PM	#7
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,992	arms straight the whole way--and if you cant keep arms straight you have to widen the grip and/or get a longer broomstick (dont be gripping the broomstick with tights fists--let it roll thru your fingers if it has to as you go up and back)--i only hold onto it with my middle and pointer fingers and thumb __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

01-22-2005, 09:23 PM	#9
Tyson23 Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX Posts: 461	i did a few and i can picture my shoulders being very sore... great exercise DC thanks i had to grab pretty wide but with time i hope to be able to narror it more and more. But still curiosu about the question i had above when you get a chance if you can answer that..... thanks __________________ Troponin Nutrition

01-22-2005, 09:29 PM	#10
BeeJ Middleweight Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Big Cock Country Posts: 572	So can this replace the military press as one of your primary shoulder exercises? I'm sorry, I couldn't resist after the last thread you started about people misinterpretting things. __________________ What really happened to Abe Lincoln - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQtzryVP1BA

01-22-2005, 08:22 PM	#3
BenGrowing Lightweight Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Posts: 373	Another priceless post DC. I definitely better start up some of these, as I've got some pretty inflexible shoulders. Thanks a ton, bro.

01-22-2005, 08:38 PM	#4
kwyckemynd00 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 146	Thanks DC, but I don't understand what you mean when you say "all the way back to the hams." The way I'm reading it, you want us to have a near 360degree motion with shoulders and the whole time with arms being the same distance apart on the broom? LOL. If so, this will take a LOOOOONG time for me Any advice on knees? :p

01-22-2005, 08:48 PM	#5
nlargingshadow New Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Lafayette, Ohio Posts: 77	I did about six of those, and wanted to run that damn broom up someone's ass!! LOL!!

01-22-2005, 08:51 PM	#6
nlargingshadow New Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Lafayette, Ohio Posts: 77	But seriously, it was hard to keep my arms straight coming back over my head. A major stretch too. My left shoulder clicks all the time on alot of overhead presses, so hope this helps. Thanks

01-22-2005, 09:13 PM	#8
nlargingshadow New Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Lafayette, Ohio Posts: 77	I see what u mean, I'm working shoulders in an hour or so, so I'll do them after lifting. I imagine doing them after being plenty warmed up will do the trick.

01-22-2005, 09:33 PM	#11
USMuscle9403 Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Orangeburg, South Carolina Posts: 2,275	Dante told me to do these 500 times each night before bed and every morning before breakfast...this means you should too.

01-22-2005, 09:39 PM	#12
Thors Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 236	OMG, I suck! This'll take some time...

01-22-2005, 10:14 PM	#14
KidRok Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CNY Posts: 8,785	I am the king of shoulder inflexability! All I can say is ouch! __________________ -KidRok- "....because I won't accept that I can't." KidRok@IntenseMuscle.com www.TrueProtein.com --5% OFF with Discount Code "FXL222"-- -Email FXL@twcny.rr.com for Training or Contest Prep-

01-22-2005, 10:26 PM	#15
ApoCz Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 180	Man, I just did a couple with the trusty stick I've got from when I had to do physio back exercises... and man 50 would hurt like fuck! __________________ Training Like Crapp Takes Intensity

01-22-2005, 10:30 PM	#16
FlexnIt New Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3	Thanks alot Dante! My shoulder has bothered me for over a year and after being stuffed into a tube for a MRI Tuesday, I found out that nothing is torn. I will absolutley work on this movement.

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01-23-2005, 03:01 AM	#19
esvux New Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 57	Im shit at these. Gonna need a 7ft oly bar at this rate. Shoulders are bad, bad, bad Look forward to trying this, thanks. edit: Just tried it with a pair of jeans, need the 'give' they provide. Hopefully can move onto a stick soon. Feels damn good thanks again. Last edited by esvux : 01-23-2005 at 03:07 AM.

01-23-2005, 03:12 AM	#20
jimpaul Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,176	It reminds me of the stretch (quick one) that Dorian did. Except, true to Dante style, much more brutal. __________________ USE TRUEPROTEIN.COM FOR ALL YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL NEEDS!! TO GET MY DISCOUNT USE Jat338 PLEASE READ AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AND USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION TOO!

01-23-2005, 03:51 AM	#21
eru Lightweight Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 494	Is there a certain width between hands that we should be aiming for when doing this? I know the narrower the better in terms of flexability but how narrow is 'normal'? __________________ Life is what you make of it.

01-23-2005, 11:28 AM	#23
In-Human IM Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,455	I have been doing this for almost 5 months now and when I started I could not reach all the way back to hit my Hams, I have to use a large exercise rubber band for width reasons and now I have no problem with going heavy on chest and shoulder presses again, I help others with lots of shoulder and back related injuries and this one exercise along with a few others for shoulders have fixed almost everyones problems so far to date... __________________ "That damn log book" www.trueprotein.com Highest quality protein at the lowest price... Last edited by In-Human : 01-23-2005 at 12:32 PM.

01-23-2005, 01:08 PM	#25
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,992	guys im really sorry, im on such low carbs come saturdays my brain seriously is shot lately and im making dumb mistakes, I had to edit my post above. If you use a beach towel or something similiar when you get overhead and down it will sag near your butt/ hamstrings ........but with a broomstick it wont go near that-it will go to the middle of your back and then back up again---really really sorry bout that---reread it now it should be clear-----with a broomstick the revolution should be about a half circle ---see the picture up above---that position exactly should be where you start your revolution once your warmed up with a broomstick and it should go overhead and down/back to a point halfway down that guys back, then back to start---is that clearer? __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

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