How to cure shoulder problems (Trust me this will do it 90% of the time) - Page 5

drinu · 06-09-2005, 08:10 AM

ive had this shoulder pain running from my trapezius to the medial head for the last 1 1/2 year i train then rub it with bio freeze then it feels better then train again and the same thing happens the worst offender for me is the bench press infact i rearly do it nowadays , lately i was doing this exercise and it felt way much better , but now the pain is back again ,

Lord Red Snake · 06-16-2005, 12:38 AM

Dante, thanks a million for this

My shoulder flexibility has been atrocious for a few years now, and was made even worse after injuring and re-injuring my rotator cuff. Even after religiously doing the shoulder deep stretch and other shoulder stretches on my off days, I made little progress in terms of flexibility although shoulder pain is long gone.

I've been doing this for nearly 2 weeks now and I'm seeing improvements already, even though I'm still using a wide as hell grip on the broomstick.

No wonder it's sniffy54approved

antihero · 06-16-2005, 12:13 PM

thnx for putting this back DC....

Vmc · 06-16-2005, 08:48 PM

Ok, just to make sure im doing this right...

You have the broom in your hands, and you keep your arms straight, and you lift it up over your head, you still keep your arms straight, and you keep moving your arms back until there at the middle of your back? So it makes lik a half circle if im right.

Ahh i must be very inflexible, cause when i tried it i got it a bit past my head, ethier i need to work at it, or im doing it wrong.

Thanks, hopefully this will help me

Lord Red Snake · 06-16-2005, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vmc

Ok, just to make sure im doing this right...

You have the broom in your hands, and you keep your arms straight, and you lift it up over your head, you still keep your arms straight, and you keep moving your arms back until there at the middle of your back? So it makes lik a half circle if im right.

Ahh i must be very inflexible, cause when i tried it i got it a bit past my head, ethier i need to work at it, or im doing it wrong.

Thanks, hopefully this will help me

You may have to grip pretty wide at first to be able to make the complete movement.

billem · 06-19-2005, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Heres a pic attached to this post so you can get an idea (thanks to a trainee of mine who cured his shoulders with this)--but remember the broomstick goes overhead and all the way back to the middle of the back (he just drew the start of the movement when you begin)

I can't find the picture. Can someone post the url?

berndiz · 06-27-2005, 12:33 AM

if you have a bad shoulder, or don't, how many times a week do you guys do this exercise?

Future · 06-27-2005, 01:07 AM

Every day

legz · 06-27-2005, 11:04 AM

Another success story by listening to Dante...After 3 weeks of these shoulder stretches I can do whatever I want in the gym, shoulder pain free. I (until now) havent been able to do DB presses of any shape or form for over two yrs...
Thanks for the PT clinic Dante!!

REVOLYSSUP · 06-28-2005, 11:53 AM

Hi
My first post.

I have been browsing for a little while now and found some very interesting views on bodybuilding here.

I was referred to the site by someone off bb.com for help with my shoulder injury a couple of weeks ago but I got distracted finding out about the 'DC method'....

Anyway, my injury is a new one and about 2 weeks old. I tried the shoulder exercises but it hurt more so I stopped. My shoulder is most painful when I lift it up at the side and then back. Other than this it gives me twinges here and there (difficult to pinpoint). Just raising to the side doesn't hurt too much, only when pushing back.

Anyway, I had previously been applying 'Deep Heat' and taking Ibuprofen for two weeks. But read elsewhere on this site (on a post by 'Future' I believe) that ice would help. I tried that today and the pain subsided a little.

My question is: What should I do next? Should I continue with ice and rest? How long? My doctor is just going to prescribe more Ibuprofen and he doesn't seem to interested in sports injuries.

Cheers.

Future · 06-28-2005, 12:41 PM

Get another doctor.

Ibuprofen is ok but really isnt so good long term. I just use In-Human's common sense advice:

Quote:

HEAT before training. ICE directly after training.

REVOLYSSUP · 06-28-2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Future

Get another doctor.

Ibuprofen is ok but really isnt so good long term. I just use In-Human's common sense advice:

Is that a way to cure the problem or just to make it tolerable?

Cheers.

Edit: I mean the heat and ice part.

Future · 06-28-2005, 04:14 PM

Well, PTAaron can speak better on this but it CAN help heal the tissue. But yes it also helps the tolerability aspect of training.

CokeNaSmilee · 06-30-2005, 10:17 AM

man...with injurys....ice and heat are your best friends, screw the pain killers.

Halbibabe · 06-30-2005, 01:13 PM

Hi, new to the forum and would like to know how long does it take to start getting relief in the the shoulders after you start this exercise. I started doing the
exercise three days ago.
Thanks, halbibabe

Future · 06-30-2005, 09:53 PM

I started feeling better in about a week. I think it is all relative to potential damage that you already have. I use it to warm up before my upper body sessions as well.

Vmc · 07-01-2005, 02:09 AM

I feel my shoulders getting better, is there anyway i can help my elbows?
Can anyone recommend me to a excercise or some type of therapy?
Thanks for the help

e burna · 07-01-2005, 10:54 AM

If I want to do 50 of these in the day, and 50 before bed, is there anything wrong with that? I guess my real question is, should I stick to strictly doing these before bed, or if I have the time, can I do them several times a day?

Future · 07-01-2005, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vmc

I feel my shoulders getting better, is there anyway i can help my elbows?
Can anyone recommend me to a excercise or some type of therapy?
Thanks for the help

Heat before training. Ice after. Avoid the exercises that hurt it the most. Look into some glucosimine/chondroiton/MSM compound.

Future · 07-01-2005, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e burna

If I want to do 50 of these in the day, and 50 before bed, is there anything wrong with that? I guess my real question is, should I stick to strictly doing these before bed, or if I have the time, can I do them several times a day?

Why not just try the 50 first...and go from there.

e burna · 07-07-2005, 03:52 PM

I can hit my 50, but I'm wondering if doing them more through the day would speed up recovery more, or could possibly hinder it? Thanks again for reading. Anyone have any input on this?

RevolutionIsMyN · 07-15-2005, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

menthol rub=blood flow to area tissues=repair

Bro, not to diss you or anything but I think its been established fairly clearly that all these medicinal rubs to is trick your nervous system into ignoring the pain/discomfort from the actual source. The oldest trick in the book - the mind just goes "hey, look, now this new sensation feels cool, lets emphasise it" and BOOM, it just forgets about the muscle pain. Nothing "penetrates" the muscle.

Future · 07-15-2005, 01:47 PM

So you dont think increased bloodflow could be helping that area at all?

**Doggcrapp** · 07-15-2005, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevolutionIsMyN

Bro, not to diss you or anything but I think its been established fairly clearly that all these medicinal rubs to is trick your nervous system into ignoring the pain/discomfort from the actual source. The oldest trick in the book - the mind just goes "hey, look, now this new sensation feels cool, lets emphasise it" and BOOM, it just forgets about the muscle pain. Nothing "penetrates" the muscle.

Really?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...67&query_hl=10

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...30&query_hl=10

"CONCLUSIONS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Application of MEN analgesic balm to the skin over contracting muscles significantly decreased the pressor response to static muscle contractions. This suggests that topical application of MEN has effects on responses evoked from receptors located in muscles."

Future · 07-15-2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

The results of this study suggested that the new product of counterirritant, Eucalyptamint, produced significant physiologic responses that may be beneficial for pain relief and/or useful to athletes as a passive form of warm-up.

And besides, isnt experience valid as well? It works obviously from what people have tried.

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06-27-2005, 01:07 AM	#108
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06-27-2005, 11:04 AM	#109
legz Middleweight Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: illinois Posts: 507	... Another success story by listening to Dante...After 3 weeks of these shoulder stretches I can do whatever I want in the gym, shoulder pain free. I (until now) havent been able to do DB presses of any shape or form for over two yrs... Thanks for the PT clinic Dante!!

06-28-2005, 04:14 PM	#113
Future Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,853	Well, PTAaron can speak better on this but it CAN help heal the tissue. But yes it also helps the tolerability aspect of training. __________________ Team Skip Client

06-30-2005, 01:13 PM	#115
Halbibabe New Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8	Shoulder exercise Hi, new to the forum and would like to know how long does it take to start getting relief in the the shoulders after you start this exercise. I started doing the exercise three days ago. Thanks, halbibabe

06-09-2005, 08:10 AM	#101
drinu Bantamweight Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: sliema(malta) Posts: 132	ive had this shoulder pain running from my trapezius to the medial head for the last 1 1/2 year i train then rub it with bio freeze then it feels better then train again and the same thing happens the worst offender for me is the bench press infact i rearly do it nowadays , lately i was doing this exercise and it felt way much better , but now the pain is back again ,

06-16-2005, 12:38 AM	#102
Lord Red Snake New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 70	Dante, thanks a million for this My shoulder flexibility has been atrocious for a few years now, and was made even worse after injuring and re-injuring my rotator cuff. Even after religiously doing the shoulder deep stretch and other shoulder stretches on my off days, I made little progress in terms of flexibility although shoulder pain is long gone. I've been doing this for nearly 2 weeks now and I'm seeing improvements already, even though I'm still using a wide as hell grip on the broomstick. No wonder it's sniffy54approved

06-16-2005, 08:48 PM	#104
Vmc Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 283	Ok, just to make sure im doing this right... You have the broom in your hands, and you keep your arms straight, and you lift it up over your head, you still keep your arms straight, and you keep moving your arms back until there at the middle of your back? So it makes lik a half circle if im right. Ahh i must be very inflexible, cause when i tried it i got it a bit past my head, ethier i need to work at it, or im doing it wrong. Thanks, hopefully this will help me

06-27-2005, 12:33 AM	#107
berndiz New Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8	if you have a bad shoulder, or don't, how many times a week do you guys do this exercise?

06-28-2005, 11:53 AM	#110
REVOLYSSUP New Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2	Hi My first post. I have been browsing for a little while now and found some very interesting views on bodybuilding here. I was referred to the site by someone off bb.com for help with my shoulder injury a couple of weeks ago but I got distracted finding out about the 'DC method'.... Anyway, my injury is a new one and about 2 weeks old. I tried the shoulder exercises but it hurt more so I stopped. My shoulder is most painful when I lift it up at the side and then back. Other than this it gives me twinges here and there (difficult to pinpoint). Just raising to the side doesn't hurt too much, only when pushing back. Anyway, I had previously been applying 'Deep Heat' and taking Ibuprofen for two weeks. But read elsewhere on this site (on a post by 'Future' I believe) that ice would help. I tried that today and the pain subsided a little. My question is: What should I do next? Should I continue with ice and rest? How long? My doctor is just going to prescribe more Ibuprofen and he doesn't seem to interested in sports injuries. Cheers.

06-30-2005, 10:17 AM	#114
CokeNaSmilee Bantamweight Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 217	man...with injurys....ice and heat are your best friends, screw the pain killers.

06-30-2005, 09:53 PM	#116
Future Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,853	I started feeling better in about a week. I think it is all relative to potential damage that you already have. I use it to warm up before my upper body sessions as well. __________________ Team Skip Client

07-01-2005, 02:09 AM	#117
Vmc Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 283	I feel my shoulders getting better, is there anyway i can help my elbows? Can anyone recommend me to a excercise or some type of therapy? Thanks for the help

07-01-2005, 10:54 AM	#118
e burna New Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2	If I want to do 50 of these in the day, and 50 before bed, is there anything wrong with that? I guess my real question is, should I stick to strictly doing these before bed, or if I have the time, can I do them several times a day?

07-07-2005, 03:52 PM	#121
e burna New Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2	I can hit my 50, but I'm wondering if doing them more through the day would speed up recovery more, or could possibly hinder it? Thanks again for reading. Anyone have any input on this?

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07-15-2005, 01:47 PM	#123
Future Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,853	So you dont think increased bloodflow could be helping that area at all? __________________ Team Skip Client

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