How to cure shoulder problems (Trust me this will do it 90% of the time) - Page 4

qazwsx · 04-05-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaius

Are your shoulders suppose to sort of dislocate after you take it past your neck and downward behind you with your arms still strait?

yup

Isolate-X · 04-14-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

...and a menthol rub applied liberally daily and before sleep has cured alot of shoulder/bicepital tendonitis...

This may be a stupid question, but do menthol rubs such as Flexall 454 help in the healing process in some way, or is it just for pain relief? Thanks.

**Doggcrapp** · 04-15-2005, 12:12 AM

menthol rub=blood flow to area tissues=repair

Isolate-X · 04-15-2005, 12:48 AM

Thanks for the quick response and I have one more question. The more menthol the better? Flexall 454 Maximum Strength = 16%, while other products have =<10% (ie. Bengay/Icy Hot). Thanks.

**Doggcrapp** · 04-15-2005, 12:55 AM

personal choice on that isolate--i like the 16%---I had tennis elbow going on 8 months and it got to the point I was having trouble pouring a pitcher of water---after finally putting on the rub on the elbow at nite to increase blood flow in the area it healed

Isolate-X · 04-15-2005, 01:01 AM

Thanks a bunch. About to go get some right now, hopefully I can get this healed promptly. Thanks for all the info Doggcrapp, you truly are a generous person and I appreciate all the information you give out.

eru · 04-15-2005, 12:46 PM

This thread should be made a sticky.

Joel H · 04-21-2005, 02:17 PM

About 6 or 7 weeks ago I hurt my shoulder, in bed pulling the covers up I think, while half drowsy or asleep, I probably pulled so hard and they were stuck under body weight I woke up with a horriblly sore shoulder! I didn't even train that day either, so it wasn't my training. I'm finally back to bench pressing, but the last workout on my third set I felt pain shoot through my shoulder. Luckily it subsided and I'm fine now, but my shoulder has still never completely recovered. I'll be performing this exercise and let you all know how it goes. I did about 12 just for kicks using my dog leash, the broom wasn't long enough. Felt pretty damn good, but I'm benching later so I didn't want to do too many. I'll try and get my 50 in tonight.

Future · 04-21-2005, 02:40 PM

This has the stuff you need with a picture.

Joel H · 04-22-2005, 12:12 AM

I did about 12 reps before my workout because I didn't want to over do it, and I my arms stopped about in the small of my back or between the shoulder blades. Now I tried a few more tonight, and my arms spun clear around and went all the way down by my ass! I also was able to choke up on the grip of the dog leash (I might be able to use the broom soon as it appears my flexibility is increasing already).

Also, it does sort of burn with pump or something, yet feels pretty damn good at the same time or afterwards! I'll keep these up and post the outcome!

PTAaron · 04-23-2005, 08:14 PM

Just wanted to bump this thread up again - and to say "Nice work" to Future for making that .pdf file! Looks awesome.

awds · 04-25-2005, 01:53 AM

just woundering can impingement cause clicking in the shoulder, when using the pec deck, or machine flies. Or clicking when rowing the shoulders, like how someone would row their shoulders back in shrugs.

Because i have a bad left shoulder, injured it play wrestling with my brother when i was little. but didnt go see a doctor till a couple of years later. I've had mri's/x-ray done, and the only thing the doctors saw was some tendonitis, and some liquid near the acromion i think. i've had over 1yr of pt for rotator cuff/shoulder/back. and i still have this problem. the only thing left is sugrery to see if its a impingement. But thats a last resort, and you guys on here are knowledgeble, so what do you guys think i should do in my situation ?

PTAaron · 04-25-2005, 02:08 AM

Impingement itself isn't something that will make things click - all that means is that something is being pinched - generally one of your rotator cuff tendons or the long head of the biceps tendon.
Clicking could be any number of things: could be a tendon rolling over bone, could be rough joint surfaces rolling over each other, could be a labrum tear that clicks when your humerus rolls over it, could be a loose body in the joint. Basic rule with joint noises is this: If it doesn't hurt, it doesn't matter. If it is painful - I would go ahead and get the opinion of another doctor, and possibly another MRI. A tear of a labrum won't always show up on an MRI because of the positioning of the shoulder, and the resolution of the scans. I had a fairly large labrum tear in my shoulder that looked like a very minor one until they went in to repair it and found a large chunk of cartilage from theback of the shoulder was actually flipped around almost to the front... and yes, my shoulder clicked a lot - but it also hurt like hell when it clicked.

PTAaron · 04-25-2005, 02:10 AM

I should also add that the movements you are describing as causing the clicking make it sound like maybe it is your AC joint that is the issue - but I guess we'd need to know where you feel the clicking is coming from (inside the joint, top of the joint, front, back, etc)

awds · 04-25-2005, 05:19 AM

its really hard to tell where the noise is coming from. But usually the clicking happens alot after chest\back day from throwing movements. But after i've recovered it wont click as easily. But the feeling of dislocation is still there, like the nerves on the left side of my shoulder is shifted, and it always feel alot stiffer(inflammed kind of feeling) then my right shoulder. But it doesnt hurt.

And is it possible for a shoulder to be partially dislocated ? and not come up in a mri/x-ray, cause when i do like lat spreads, i can spread out my left shoulder more, and my left cavicle bone seems lower then my right one.

PTAaron · 04-25-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by awds

its really hard to tell where the noise is coming from. But usually the clicking happens alot after chest\back day from throwing movements. But after i've recovered it wont click as easily. But the feeling of dislocation is still there, like the nerves on the left side of my shoulder is shifted, and it always feel alot stiffer(inflammed kind of feeling) then my right shoulder. But it doesnt hurt.

Nerves don't shift...
You didn't mention dislocation before - was that your previous injury? If it was it is likely you have a labrum tear that wasn't diagnosed previously. Labrum is the ring of cartilage that surrounds the shallow hole that the humerus sits in. When you dislocate you are basically forcing a bone to get ripped across that ring and that usually damages things.

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And is it possible for a shoulder to be partially dislocated ? and not come up in a mri/x-ray, cause when i do like lat spreads, i can spread out my left shoulder more, and my left cavicle bone seems lower then my right one.

A dislocation will not show up unless it is dislocated at the time the test is performed. It is unlikely you would be able to function normally and lift weights if your shoulder was chronically dislocated.

I would go to a good sports medicine physician and get evaluated. Things may have changed since last time you were checked out.

Future · 04-25-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PTAaron

Just wanted to bump this thread up again - and to say "Nice work" to Future for making that .pdf file! Looks awesome.

Kudos to you as well friend. It was your pic and DC's words. I am merely a facilitator.

awds · 04-25-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PTAaron

Nerves don't shift...
You didn't mention dislocation before - was that your previous injury? If it was it is likely you have a labrum tear that wasn't diagnosed previously. Labrum is the ring of cartilage that surrounds the shallow hole that the humerus sits in. When you dislocate you are basically forcing a bone to get ripped across that ring and that usually damages things.

A dislocation will not show up unless it is dislocated at the time the test is performed. It is unlikely you would be able to function normally and lift weights if your shoulder was chronically dislocated.

I would go to a good sports medicine physician and get evaluated. Things may have changed since last time you were checked out.

The injury happened when i was around 10(16 now), i wasn't able to move my arm, but after awhile i was able to move it, but thats when the feeling of dislocation started, i didn't tell my mom cause i was afraid. So fast forward 3 yrs i was doing push ups in school, and i felt something like a dislocation, and my arm would hurt everytime i try to lift it up, i was able to move it again the next day. And thats when i went to the doctor, i had a x-ray done, then a couple months of pt for rotator cuff. Afterwards discomfort was still there so i was referred to a bone specialist i think, i had a mri, and another x-ray done. And he recommended some more pt, but for back\shoulder also. He said some rotator cuff injuries can take up to years to heal. I finished about 9 weeks of pt, and now i'm on my own working out, and i've noticed my shoulders gotten alot stronger, and clicking doesnt happen as often. But i want to get some opinions on, if i'm wasting my time or not on strengthening my shoulder or should i just go get sugrery.

And for the sports medicine physician, do you know any sites i can look one up in my area ? or should i just ask my regular doctor about it.

Isolate-X · 04-25-2005, 10:09 PM

These 2 pics are from Pavel's book Super Joints; thought they might be of some use.

SWW007 · 04-25-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Isolate-X

These 2 pics are from Pavel's book Super Joints; thought they might be of some use.

Excellent post! That will help a lot of people out tremendously!!

PTAaron · 04-25-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by awds

And for the sports medicine physician, do you know any sites i can look one up in my area ? or should i just ask my regular doctor about it.

What area are you in?

You want to find a physician that has FACSM after their name... maybe try an online search.

awds · 04-26-2005, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PTAaron

What area are you in?

You want to find a physician that has FACSM after their name... maybe try an online search.

Do you know any specific sites online to search ? i'm in the new york area.

Alex001 · 05-02-2005, 02:36 PM

Question.

If someone doesn't have any shoulder problems like me, is this the only exercise I need to do to keep my shoulders healthly? Would I need any other rotator cuff exercises?

I did this yesterday for 30 reps and my shoulders are sore like I just finished doing flat bench presses, is that normal first time trying this?

Tugboat · 05-31-2005, 11:08 PM

When DC started helping me he gave me this exercise to do. At the time I could only machine bench half ROM and about half the wieght I'm used to. After a month I could do everything, but flat bench Full ROM and heavy for me. Thanks DC

w8liftr · 06-08-2005, 08:49 PM

Bump this back to page one. It is really helping my shoulders. Here is another vote to make it a sticky.

04-15-2005, 12:12 AM	#78
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04-15-2005, 12:55 AM	#80
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,992	personal choice on that isolate--i like the 16%---I had tennis elbow going on 8 months and it got to the point I was having trouble pouring a pitcher of water---after finally putting on the rub on the elbow at nite to increase blood flow in the area it healed __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

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04-21-2005, 02:40 PM	#84
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04-23-2005, 08:14 PM	#86
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04-15-2005, 12:48 AM	#79
Isolate-X New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	Thanks for the quick response and I have one more question. The more menthol the better? Flexall 454 Maximum Strength = 16%, while other products have =<10% (ie. Bengay/Icy Hot). Thanks.

04-15-2005, 01:01 AM	#81
Isolate-X New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	Thanks a bunch. About to go get some right now, hopefully I can get this healed promptly. Thanks for all the info Doggcrapp, you truly are a generous person and I appreciate all the information you give out.

04-21-2005, 02:17 PM	#83
Joel H New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 17	About 6 or 7 weeks ago I hurt my shoulder, in bed pulling the covers up I think, while half drowsy or asleep, I probably pulled so hard and they were stuck under body weight I woke up with a horriblly sore shoulder! I didn't even train that day either, so it wasn't my training. I'm finally back to bench pressing, but the last workout on my third set I felt pain shoot through my shoulder. Luckily it subsided and I'm fine now, but my shoulder has still never completely recovered. I'll be performing this exercise and let you all know how it goes. I did about 12 just for kicks using my dog leash, the broom wasn't long enough. Felt pretty damn good, but I'm benching later so I didn't want to do too many. I'll try and get my 50 in tonight.

04-22-2005, 12:12 AM	#85
Joel H New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 17	I did about 12 reps before my workout because I didn't want to over do it, and I my arms stopped about in the small of my back or between the shoulder blades. Now I tried a few more tonight, and my arms spun clear around and went all the way down by my ass! I also was able to choke up on the grip of the dog leash (I might be able to use the broom soon as it appears my flexibility is increasing already). Also, it does sort of burn with pump or something, yet feels pretty damn good at the same time or afterwards! I'll keep these up and post the outcome!

04-25-2005, 01:53 AM	#87
awds New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 47	just woundering can impingement cause clicking in the shoulder, when using the pec deck, or machine flies. Or clicking when rowing the shoulders, like how someone would row their shoulders back in shrugs. Because i have a bad left shoulder, injured it play wrestling with my brother when i was little. but didnt go see a doctor till a couple of years later. I've had mri's/x-ray done, and the only thing the doctors saw was some tendonitis, and some liquid near the acromion i think. i've had over 1yr of pt for rotator cuff/shoulder/back. and i still have this problem. the only thing left is sugrery to see if its a impingement. But thats a last resort, and you guys on here are knowledgeble, so what do you guys think i should do in my situation ?

04-25-2005, 02:08 AM	#88
PTAaron Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Macomb Twp, MI Posts: 1,217	Impingement itself isn't something that will make things click - all that means is that something is being pinched - generally one of your rotator cuff tendons or the long head of the biceps tendon. Clicking could be any number of things: could be a tendon rolling over bone, could be rough joint surfaces rolling over each other, could be a labrum tear that clicks when your humerus rolls over it, could be a loose body in the joint. Basic rule with joint noises is this: If it doesn't hurt, it doesn't matter. If it is painful - I would go ahead and get the opinion of another doctor, and possibly another MRI. A tear of a labrum won't always show up on an MRI because of the positioning of the shoulder, and the resolution of the scans. I had a fairly large labrum tear in my shoulder that looked like a very minor one until they went in to repair it and found a large chunk of cartilage from theback of the shoulder was actually flipped around almost to the front... and yes, my shoulder clicked a lot - but it also hurt like hell when it clicked. __________________ -Aaron TrueProtein.com discount code: AAL229 saves you 5%

04-25-2005, 02:10 AM	#89
PTAaron Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Macomb Twp, MI Posts: 1,217	I should also add that the movements you are describing as causing the clicking make it sound like maybe it is your AC joint that is the issue - but I guess we'd need to know where you feel the clicking is coming from (inside the joint, top of the joint, front, back, etc) __________________ -Aaron TrueProtein.com discount code: AAL229 saves you 5%

04-25-2005, 05:19 AM	#90
awds New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 47	its really hard to tell where the noise is coming from. But usually the clicking happens alot after chest\back day from throwing movements. But after i've recovered it wont click as easily. But the feeling of dislocation is still there, like the nerves on the left side of my shoulder is shifted, and it always feel alot stiffer(inflammed kind of feeling) then my right shoulder. But it doesnt hurt. And is it possible for a shoulder to be partially dislocated ? and not come up in a mri/x-ray, cause when i do like lat spreads, i can spread out my left shoulder more, and my left cavicle bone seems lower then my right one.

04-25-2005, 10:09 PM	#94
Isolate-X New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	Pavel - Super Joints These 2 pics are from Pavel's book Super Joints; thought they might be of some use. Last edited by Isolate-X : 04-25-2005 at 10:19 PM.

05-02-2005, 02:36 PM	#98
Alex001 New Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	Question. If someone doesn't have any shoulder problems like me, is this the only exercise I need to do to keep my shoulders healthly? Would I need any other rotator cuff exercises? I did this yesterday for 30 reps and my shoulders are sore like I just finished doing flat bench presses, is that normal first time trying this?

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05-31-2005, 11:08 PM	#99
Tugboat New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2	When DC started helping me he gave me this exercise to do. At the time I could only machine bench half ROM and about half the wieght I'm used to. After a month I could do everything, but flat bench Full ROM and heavy for me. Thanks DC

06-08-2005, 08:49 PM	#100
w8liftr Middleweight Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: AL Posts: 726	Bump this back to page one. It is really helping my shoulders. Here is another vote to make it a sticky. __________________ True Protein The best protein at the best price Use my code twn359 for a 5% discount

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