ScottMcDonough

mpking71, why are you here? If the thread was called "Hey guys I think this works for some people with certain shoulders problems but not with others" would that be ok?

Read Luke's post right above you and then figure out why he put this out here to begin with, to HELP people.

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eryanb

LOL, I was thinking that too. The 90% is obviously just a figure of speech. It's not like Dante was actually trying to claim some kind of statistically significant number.

Most people realize that subconsciously and don't even think about it. mpking71 on the other hand is taking over analysis to a fine art and displaying anal retentive tendencies far in excess of normal.

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mpking71

71 thousand; please show me these numbers. I don’t write much here but I read on all forums from this one to bodybuilding.com to elifts.com if my statements are so influential then you have nothing to worry about.. Point is you have no definitive point to your conclusion ... only your words.

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JoeyDB30

Just wanted to say thanks again, I posted here back in August when my shoulder problems accured after a football game and have been doing the excersize ever since on and off.

Its been a few months now and Im finally back to full strength (well even heavier) thanks to your great excersize, I cant thank you enough for bringing back my motivation and strength..I really thought all hope was lost when I got busted up but yes now I am back thanks to you

Sorry for my messed up writing but English isnt my first language

THANKS AGAIN DC

tilegendit

is it just me or can no one else see the "attached pic"?

ScottMcDonough

Images are deleted off the board after a certain time period. If you look through the whole thread there are other descriptions and some links to show video/images on how to do it. It's really really simple ha, for some reason people get confused about it.

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PozzSka

This should be in a sticky...oh wait...it is. ;-)

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miabb

I know this is dum but where is the pic?? i tested it but when i go to lower back my arms bend prob need a longer stick but would like to see the pic........

ScottMcDonough

Look 1-2 posts above yours for the explanation about the original picture

The pole/stick should be pretty wide at first especially if you are inflexible

It should look like this although much slower and more controlled(and with a bottle of True Protein not Cell Tech!)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ifxxbWwzKio

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Eld

Just wanted to say thank you for this if you still read these threads, Dante. I've had recurring shoulder problems in both shoulder since high school, and after merely 2 weeks doing this stretch (had to start with a 6-foot bo), I have no more pain in my shoulders when pressing, and they don't click in and out. So thanks, this has been a lifesaver!

(I was muttering nonsensical expletives at you the first time I did it though...I admit).

Doggcrapp

No problem Eld, glad it helped you out. MPking on the other hand is on a bell tower wanting to shoot me still I think.

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gopostal42

thanks dante, i have the opposite problem of most as i'm overly flexable. as a result, i've had a several shoulder dislocations in both shoulders, and this movement actually seems to help more than anything by breaking apart a lot of scar tissue thats built up and i could actually do some light behind the neck military for the first time since high school. thank ya sir

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and right after i say that my left shoulder slides out........ damnit!

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TheUnlikelyHERO

I need some help from all of you if you don't mind:

Last February (yes, like over a year ago), I strained my shoulder when all of my roommates and I were trying to push/pick-up the front end of my roommates car to get it out of a ditch since it was in the snow and couldn't move. Keep in mind that I had surgery on this shoulder 4 years before this for dislocation and separation.

Anyway, i went to the ER that night and the doctor said it was "just" strained and I should be fine in a few weeks. Somehow I didn't believe her. After taking a few months off from lifting it was still not better. I went to a Sports doctor and he also said it was strained, and that I still showed strong strength there. He gave me the basic RC stretching and strengthening exercises and said I'd be fine.

So I did light lifting and stretching for about 3 months with no avail. I figured maybe I shouldn't be doing anything and that resting it until it got better was the best idea. So I took off last August and haven't lifted since then. My shoulder is slightly better but it still snaps and gets "caught" on itself when I reach overhead, behind my back, etc.

I used to do this stretch everyday right up until the day I hurt it but obviously I had to stop when I hurt it since I didn't have any ROM. That same sports doctor said that this stretch was COMPLETELY counter-productive and VERY unsafe, as well as very dangerous. He even went so far as to say that if I was doing this regularly than it could have been stretching my shoulder muscles/CT/tendons to the point where they were weakened and caused my accident.

Sorry for the long read but I want to do anything I can besides surgery again to heal my shoulder. Obviously taking time off isn't helping, and the basic RC laterals and cable sweeps didn't do anything.

Should I continue to do this again?

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0verlord

Sorry to say it bro but that "catching" and "snapping" you are feeling probably is your labrum. You said you had prior surgery for a dislocation, did it cause any tear to your labrum that you know of? When you lifted the car, sure you could have strained it, but the location of this popping and snapping is your golden ticket. Is it located in the front of your shoulder? Then its an anterior labrum issue, how about the top? AC joint/tendon issue, or the back? Maybe superior labrum issue? If its even located in your armpit area, if its more the back or front of your shoulder it could very well be muscle or tendon related. Hmm the last thing i can think of is if your trap muscle or neck has any weird sensations. If thats the case then that points to a labrum issue too. I had two bankart lesions for anterior labrum tears and bursitis so i know how ya feel, it blows big time to have shoulder aches and pains, especially being a post op person. Good luck with it, im icing my shoulder as i type this. Overdid it on the pressing last week.

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tigerspaw

Is it ok to do 10 reps and then rest for 30 secs and then repeat or is it 50 reps straight with no rest.

TheUnlikelyHERO

The pain is mostly always in the back of the shoulder. No weird sensations in trap or neck muscles, just shoulder. It does feel like tendon/joint issue because I've been able to tell ever since I started separating my shoulder back in High school. After surgery my shoulder was 95% okay, I used to lift without putting any limits on my workouts and my shoulder always held up perfectly fine (my right side was just about 5% weaker than my left).

Then this happened with the car and it's back down the shitter. So you believe it's a joint/tendon issue? Does that mean it's impingement?

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TXFlySwatter

Am I the only one that is having problems with this stretch?
It seems like you need to be douple jointed to be able to do this.
When I get the broom stick over my head and slightly behind it, it just stops.
It seems like the physiology of your shoulder joint would prevent this movement.

Can anyone give me any pointers?

TheUnlikelyHERO

You probably have your hands much too inward on the broom. Try holding the broom as far as possible and doing the stretch, it's completely possible. Then you need to slowly inch your way in with your hands.

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supermanxx

so before i read this post a while back i always had a nagging pain in my shoulder when i worked out.... i started doing these and now my shoulders feels like a million bucks now i do them every day before i work out no matter wa body part... i feel like its a great way to warm up and stretch out my upper body

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FatJew

Hi there! Do you have some similar things for hip and ankle flexibily, I have trouble going down in the squat deep enough.

Pheedno

I have to say, this has been a true blessing to my training. I've had grade II and III AC - sprains in both shoulders and couple years back and have had chronic shoulder inbalance in my right side ever since. All during last years contest prep I was struggling and have never really been able to pick up my upper body to match my legs because of the ailment. I started doing this stretch about a month ago and am almost back to optimal performance in a lot of upper body movements that have been severely inhibited.

It has also helped a couple of my clients.

Muscle_Mike

My injury was on the rear inside of my left shoulder. I first aggravated it from doing bent over rows with 55 pound dumbbells. Something inside of my shoulder tweaked when I was leaning my bodyweight on the bench with my left arm supporting me. I've done this exercise with no problems in my younger years but after a long 3 year layoff it got me.

To avoid flaring up the injury I have since skipped any kind of weightlifting exercise where I stretch my arms behind me like dumbbell and pec dec flyes. Tricep pushdowns also flared up my injury after workouts so I skipped those too. Forget dumbbell rows, I am now doing pulley rows and not leaning my bodyweight onto any shoulder. Flat benching has been no problem unlike others with shoulder injuries who have to avoid it.

It's getting better thanks to avoiding a few exercises and doing reps of this shoulder stretch with a broomstick. I no longer feel pain in my shoulder when I am doing every day things. It's not 100% gone but it's a lot better.