My experience with Dairy and my opinions..... - Page 5

MindOverMuscle · 12-04-2006, 03:10 PM

I miss cheese.

Other than that, I have zero regrets about dropping milk. No more bloating, gas or liquid shits that it used to give me. I also dropped dairy before hiring Skip, so I wasn't coerced.

About the breast-fed children thing... let me guess: The ones that were breast fed are smarter. Yah?

Too bad we can't buy human breast milk at our local grocery store. I suppose there is a shortage of women willing to sign up for milk production...

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 12-04-2006, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btech

Skip

Somewhere on that board (from clicking the link above) you said you can see a difference between your children who have and have not been breast-fed.

What do you mean by that? I'm curious.

My oldest was breast fed the most and it went down from there until the last one was breast fed the least. Reason? As we had more children we found that we didn't like them as much. : ) Just kidding. It just so happened that Sissy put out less and less "lunch" as she had more kids.

The differences are so obvious, in hindsight:

The oldest has by far the least amount of ear infections (maybe only 3 or 4), runny noses, barely ever a cough, no respiratory issues worth noting.

The second oldest had quite a few ear infections, always a runny nose (seemed non-stop from 2-4 years), coughed considerably more than the older one but still no obvious issues above that.

My boy who is 3rd in the sibling food chain had one ear infection after the other, a cough so bad that he was finally diagnosed with croup (croop?) and we had about 4 or 5 SEVERE episodes that scared the shit out of us, his nose is still running and he is 6, coughes ALL THE TIME to the point that it is annoying. He and the next oldest one get colds all the time - constantly.
He also was on an inhaler when he was smaller but I can't remember the age, exactly. He also had terrible night terrors which could or could not be related but I will tell you that since not giving my kids milk anymore, the night terrors have stopped, completely. I am sure that some will say that it isn't related and that it may be a coincidence but seeing it from the vantage point that Sissy and I have, I don't buy it. I think it is absolutely related somehow. He also shits his pants if he sneaks milk or chocolate milk as I posted on previously in this thread, I think.

My youngest is only 2 and a half so other than a non-stop runny nose and cough, she isn't old enough to truly tell what her issues are, yet.

Sometimes you just can't breast feed anymore and formula certainly isn't going to "harm" children, I don't think. However, due to immune and respiratory issues it is HIGHLY recommended that you breast feed as long as possible.

Remember, too, that I am giving my advice and my opinions based on my experience with my kids (14, 8, 6, 2 years old), tons of clients over the years and my own experiences because I constantly am questioning and experimenting with things. That is just the way I work. I want to KNOW whether something works for me and why instead of just assuming something works or doesn't work. I am not saying that something works or doesn't work as much as I am saying "look at what happened to me, my clients, my kids and ALL of the people that have dropped dairy from their diets, as well. This thread is a good example. I think dreamtheater is only the 3rd person or maybe only the second that dropped dairy (or claimed to) and reported that it didn't do anything positive for them.

Yeah, it's probably just a bandwagon. *sigh*

Skip

DeeBo Duke · 12-04-2006, 03:50 PM

i dropped milk just today...and the only negative side effect i noticed so far was me having to clean it all up off the floor

dellsguy67 · 12-04-2006, 03:51 PM

i just wanna be cool like skip. if he drops milk, i drop milk. he acts sarcastic, i act sarcastic. he shaves his head, i shave my wife's.

jesus rocks · 12-04-2006, 04:25 PM

I dropped milk before reading this, but I was so fat I wouldnt have noticed loss of distention

SWW007 · 12-04-2006, 09:16 PM

Milk is the only dairy thing that I noticed which actually bothers me. I think it is the amount and type of sugar in it which is the problem for most people.

btech · 12-04-2006, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip

He also shits his pants if he sneaks milk or chocolate milk as I posted on previously in this thread, I think.

Skip

Yeah, it was posted on that "other" board. The xBox story....I read it. I can totally see how that could happen too, this thread I must say helped initiate my abstinance from milk.

At my school (University of South Carolina), we have a Bodybuilding club and from this club I again heard reasons as to why we should not drink mlik. We went over such points as,

"If you quit drinking milk and quit taking in dairy products, like, after a week or so you look AWESOME" - a senior trainer

"Sure, milk has calcium. But if you're looking for calcium eat green vegetables." - club president

"humans are the only mammals who are not weened off of milk after they begin to grow" - club president

deadlift0 · 12-05-2006, 12:53 AM

if anyone you have watched the movie snatch they talk about how the human digestion system hasnt evolved to develop milk

Tommy-The human digestion system hasnt evolved yet

Turkish-Well fuck me tommy what have you been reading

RiZLa · 12-05-2006, 06:24 AM

I've dropped milk now to try it out...

It has been about a month now.
My gut has gone in about 4-5cm (almost 2 inches)
I look just the same and feel exactly the same...

I will continue the non milk diet for a good while to see how it turns out...

**BigDownUnder** · 12-07-2006, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heckman

I think the cows down under produce non- bloating milk...

SWW007 · 12-08-2006, 01:52 AM

Ok now that we've established that milk bloats everyone on here for the most part the next logical step is to test human milk! One of you guys knock up some chick and start milkin the cow! Let us know if the milk bloats you up or not! This could be big...!

DeeBo Duke · 12-08-2006, 10:35 AM

y'all should try lactose free milk. expensive ( as much for a half gallon as a gallon of regular milk costs) but to me it's worth it. no stomach distensia, bloating, gas, etc.

sonofman · 12-08-2006, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadlift0

if anyone you have watched the movie snatch they talk about how the human digestion system hasnt evolved to develop milk

Tommy-The human digestion system hasnt evolved yet

Turkish-Well fuck me tommy what have you been reading

I liked "Snatch". I thought it was funny. My wife just looks at me

Oh well, she doesn't like the 3 stooges either....

MsteveM · 12-08-2006, 11:03 AM

lactose isn't the only unlovable thing in milk.

MsteveM · 12-08-2006, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWW007

Ok now that we've established that milk bloats everyone on here for the most part the next logical step is to test human milk! One of you guys knock up some chick and start milkin the cow! Let us know if the milk bloats you up or not! This could be big...!

good idea, we'll market it as the next big supplement.

MsteveM · 12-08-2006, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWW007

Milk is the only dairy thing that I noticed which actually bothers me. I think it is the amount and type of sugar in it which is the problem for most people.

in terms of digestion and gas, yeah it's the lactose. yogurt and cheese(i think cheese does anyway) contain some lactase (byproduct of the fermentation from bacteria), which is going to ease the digestion process (help break down the lactose).

Vegking · 12-08-2006, 12:05 PM

yeah, other than the lactose in there anything else in milk that would make one bloat? I mean, I think most of us take in milk products like whey protein and caisen protein, if it is not lactose wouldn't it make sense the protein powders from milk would cause the same problems?

JeffRW · 12-08-2006, 12:25 PM

Part of my wife's job is that she is a lactation consultant. So I get to hear lots about the breastfeeding vs. formula.

The best way I can describe the differences to you guys on here is to think of it like the differences between consuming nothing but MRP's/protein powders or consuming nothing but lean meats/veggies/real healthy food/etc.

Obviously living off mrp's isn't going to stop positive gains and all that, but it's a bit more obvious that real food works better...

Forumula is a "generic" meal too whereas breastmilk is actually tailored for the baby's needs. don't ask exactly how, but I guess that they baby passes enzymes or something through the nipple which triggers the mom to adjust nutrients in the milk.

So I guess anther way to look at it is that you can still get gains if you follow someone else's diet plan, but you'll probably make better and faster gains if you have a plan specific for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip

My oldest was breast fed the most and it went down from there until the last one was breast fed the least. Reason? As we had more children we found that we didn't like them as much. : ) Just kidding. It just so happened that Sissy put out less and less "lunch" as she had more kids.

The differences are so obvious, in hindsight:

The oldest has by far the least amount of ear infections (maybe only 3 or 4), runny noses, barely ever a cough, no respiratory issues worth noting.

The second oldest had quite a few ear infections, always a runny nose (seemed non-stop from 2-4 years), coughed considerably more than the older one but still no obvious issues above that.

My boy who is 3rd in the sibling food chain had one ear infection after the other, a cough so bad that he was finally diagnosed with croup (croop?) and we had about 4 or 5 SEVERE episodes that scared the shit out of us, his nose is still running and he is 6, coughes ALL THE TIME to the point that it is annoying. He and the next oldest one get colds all the time - constantly.
He also was on an inhaler when he was smaller but I can't remember the age, exactly. He also had terrible night terrors which could or could not be related but I will tell you that since not giving my kids milk anymore, the night terrors have stopped, completely. I am sure that some will say that it isn't related and that it may be a coincidence but seeing it from the vantage point that Sissy and I have, I don't buy it. I think it is absolutely related somehow. He also shits his pants if he sneaks milk or chocolate milk as I posted on previously in this thread, I think.

My youngest is only 2 and a half so other than a non-stop runny nose and cough, she isn't old enough to truly tell what her issues are, yet.

Sometimes you just can't breast feed anymore and formula certainly isn't going to "harm" children, I don't think. However, due to immune and respiratory issues it is HIGHLY recommended that you breast feed as long as possible.

Remember, too, that I am giving my advice and my opinions based on my experience with my kids (14, 8, 6, 2 years old), tons of clients over the years and my own experiences because I constantly am questioning and experimenting with things. That is just the way I work. I want to KNOW whether something works for me and why instead of just assuming something works or doesn't work. I am not saying that something works or doesn't work as much as I am saying "look at what happened to me, my clients, my kids and ALL of the people that have dropped dairy from their diets, as well. This thread is a good example. I think dreamtheater is only the 3rd person or maybe only the second that dropped dairy (or claimed to) and reported that it didn't do anything positive for them.

Yeah, it's probably just a bandwagon. *sigh*

Skip

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 12-08-2006, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffRW

The best way I can describe the differences to you guys on here is to think of it like the differences between consuming nothing but MRP's/protein powders or consuming nothing but lean meats/veggies/real healthy food/etc.

.

I like the comparison.

Skip

MsteveM · 12-08-2006, 02:48 PM

I was trying to look up an average lactose content in human breast milk, but i didn't find it yet... i did see this dummies article that you guys might find interesting though:

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dumm...e/id-2487.html

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002451.htm

here's one from medline.

MsteveM · 12-08-2006, 03:14 PM

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/135/1/1

interesting little piece

btech · 12-09-2006, 12:42 AM

Today I had a glass of milk with some cake, we had a party in Spanish class to celebrate end of exams.

Haven't had any milk (or dairy) in the past couple months. Immediatley I could feel it in my stomach as I drank it. It wasn't mental either.

Okay.

teckno05 · 12-09-2006, 01:37 AM

When i was a kid (5+ years ago lmao) i could have all the milk i wanted without any "noticable" problems. Then i stopped for some reason and when i came back to it i was VERY lactose intolerant. I can have pizza and choclate but a glass of milk or popcorn will give me hell.

fightingtiger · 12-19-2006, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btech

Yeah, it was posted on that "other" board. The xBox story....I read it. I can totally see how that could happen too, this thread I must say helped initiate my abstinance from milk.

At my school (University of South Carolina), we have a Bodybuilding club and from this club I again heard reasons as to why we should not drink mlik. We went over such points as,

"If you quit drinking milk and quit taking in dairy products, like, after a week or so you look AWESOME" - a senior trainer

"Sure, milk has calcium. But if you're looking for calcium eat green vegetables." - club president

"humans are the only mammals who are not weened off of milk after they begin to grow" - club president

USC eh? I go to Clemson. I heard the bodybuilding club down there is really something.

Anyways, I have started drinking a little more milk since the semester started as I am broke most of the time and I can get skim f

12-04-2006, 03:10 PM	#101
MindOverMuscle Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,188	I miss cheese. Other than that, I have zero regrets about dropping milk. No more bloating, gas or liquid shits that it used to give me. I also dropped dairy before hiring Skip, so I wasn't coerced. About the breast-fed children thing... let me guess: The ones that were breast fed are smarter. Yah? Too bad we can't buy human breast milk at our local grocery store. I suppose there is a shortage of women willing to sign up for milk production... __________________ "Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit." - Aristotle

12-04-2006, 03:51 PM	#104
dellsguy67 Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,084	i just wanna be cool like skip. if he drops milk, i drop milk. he acts sarcastic, i act sarcastic. he shaves his head, i shave my wife's. __________________ To save 5% on your TrueProtein.com purchase, use discount code: DAS235 -------------------------------------- SUCCESS = CONSISTENCY X TIME - Sniffy54 -------------------------------------- "Consistency can take you a log way" - Homonunculus

12-04-2006, 04:25 PM	#105
jesus rocks Heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: With Mrs. JR trying to find good deals on meat Posts: 2,208	I dropped milk before reading this, but I was so fat I wouldnt have noticed loss of distention __________________ There are only three reasons why you may not like the Whopper. * You hate America and your parents. * You enjoy killing puppies. * You are not awesome I would highly recommend that all first dates happen at Burger King. Order your new girl/guy a Whopper. If he or she refuses feel free to yell, "You are a lame dog killing terrosist!" TRUE PROTEIN DISCOUNT CODE: SDM333. PLEASE USE IT

12-04-2006, 09:16 PM	#106
SWW007 Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 361	Milk is the only dairy thing that I noticed which actually bothers me. I think it is the amount and type of sugar in it which is the problem for most people. __________________ www.trueprotein.com shw744 <Get an extra discount. The only dumb question is the question not asked. Shawn SHW744 (<-Geez didnt you just get 8lbs free a couple days ago-lol?--this guy could sell shit to a septic tank-hes got the gift)<-Anonymous Getting big= (Eating like a king and crapping like a horse) + (Lifting heavy ass weights) < A wise man once said "Ain't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weights!"

12-05-2006, 12:53 AM	#108
deadlift0 Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 3,869	if anyone you have watched the movie snatch they talk about how the human digestion system hasnt evolved to develop milk Tommy-The human digestion system hasnt evolved yet Turkish-Well fuck me tommy what have you been reading __________________ You can use my TrueProtein Discount code:JSG87 yeah, that's where I saw JT... the airport... do try and pay attention, old chap -RedSkull WOW! If I were a cannibal DC is getting ketchup all over his boobies! -Future I tell you I want to choke out most of the gym goers I see...- In-Human

12-04-2006, 03:50 PM	#103
DeeBo Duke New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 32	i dropped milk just today...and the only negative side effect i noticed so far was me having to clean it all up off the floor

12-05-2006, 06:24 AM	#109
RiZLa New Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Molde, Norway Posts: 64	I've dropped milk now to try it out... It has been about a month now. My gut has gone in about 4-5cm (almost 2 inches) I look just the same and feel exactly the same... I will continue the non milk diet for a good while to see how it turns out...

12-08-2006, 01:52 AM	#111
SWW007 Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 361	Ok now that we've established that milk bloats everyone on here for the most part the next logical step is to test human milk! One of you guys knock up some chick and start milkin the cow! Let us know if the milk bloats you up or not! This could be big...! __________________ www.trueprotein.com shw744 <Get an extra discount. The only dumb question is the question not asked. Shawn SHW744 (<-Geez didnt you just get 8lbs free a couple days ago-lol?--this guy could sell shit to a septic tank-hes got the gift)<-Anonymous Getting big= (Eating like a king and crapping like a horse) + (Lifting heavy ass weights) < A wise man once said "Ain't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weights!"

12-08-2006, 10:35 AM	#112
DeeBo Duke New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 32	y'all should try lactose free milk. expensive ( as much for a half gallon as a gallon of regular milk costs) but to me it's worth it. no stomach distensia, bloating, gas, etc.

12-08-2006, 11:03 AM	#114
MsteveM DC Q & A Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,968	lactose isn't the only unlovable thing in milk. __________________ www.trueprotein.com www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/ "Those who do not beleive in the impossible, should not distract those who are already doing it" "if we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" Note: i'm not an expert, but i'm probably right. "Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine." - the skeptic's dictionary about urine therapy.

12-08-2006, 12:05 PM	#117
Vegking New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 31	yeah, other than the lactose in there anything else in milk that would make one bloat? I mean, I think most of us take in milk products like whey protein and caisen protein, if it is not lactose wouldn't it make sense the protein powders from milk would cause the same problems?

12-08-2006, 02:48 PM	#120
MsteveM DC Q & A Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,968	I was trying to look up an average lactose content in human breast milk, but i didn't find it yet... i did see this dummies article that you guys might find interesting though: http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dumm...e/id-2487.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002451.htm here's one from medline. __________________ www.trueprotein.com www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/ "Those who do not beleive in the impossible, should not distract those who are already doing it" "if we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" Note: i'm not an expert, but i'm probably right. "Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine." - the skeptic's dictionary about urine therapy.

12-08-2006, 03:14 PM	#121
MsteveM DC Q & A Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,968	http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/135/1/1 interesting little piece __________________ www.trueprotein.com www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/ "Those who do not beleive in the impossible, should not distract those who are already doing it" "if we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" Note: i'm not an expert, but i'm probably right. "Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine." - the skeptic's dictionary about urine therapy.

12-09-2006, 12:42 AM	#122
btech Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Shanghai, CN Posts: 1,189	Today I had a glass of milk with some cake, we had a party in Spanish class to celebrate end of exams. Haven't had any milk (or dairy) in the past couple months. Immediatley I could feel it in my stomach as I drank it. It wasn't mental either. Okay.

12-09-2006, 01:37 AM	#123
teckno05 Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 1,246	When i was a kid (5+ years ago lmao) i could have all the milk i wanted without any "noticable" problems. Then i stopped for some reason and when i came back to it i was VERY lactose intolerant. I can have pizza and choclate but a glass of milk or popcorn will give me hell. __________________ "Strive to be the 1st or the best, they're the only ones remembered." -Kapu

Sponsored Links