My experience with Dairy and my opinions..... - Page 4

ddilulo_06 · 09-19-2006, 12:18 AM

That's it... milk is out. I was going to get around to it, but now, I'm not buying more. Maybe that's why I have a gut at ~12% BF.

We'll see if it shrinks.

FIVE_8 · 09-19-2006, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ddilulo_06

That's it... milk is out. I was going to get around to it, but now, I'm not buying more. Maybe that's why I have a gut at ~12% BF.

We'll see if it shrinks.

cut out orange juice too

i lost like 3 inches from cutting out oj and milk

ddilulo_06 · 09-19-2006, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FIVE_8

cut out orange juice too

i lost like 3 inches from cutting out oj and milk

I don't drink OJ, but thanks for the tip.

MindOverMuscle · 09-19-2006, 06:46 PM

Maybe the guy in norway isn't lactose intolerant. I know that when I was drinking a lot of milk, I got fat and bloated, gassy and had the runs a lot.

There was a lot that was wrong with my diet, but without changing anything except dropping milk, my gas went down and I was less bloated. I'm still working on the bodyfat with Skip, as it's only been a few months and we're working to build muscle while dropping fat rather than an all out 100% fat loss program.

Athens · 11-11-2006, 12:15 PM

After reading through this thread, and the others linked, I decided to cut out milk (and orange juice) a few days ago. Surprisingly enough, I've already felt quite a bit better (bloated feeling gone, waist shrunk a bit, not congested anymore, and drowsiness I used to get after meals with it disappeared). Thought it would take at least a week or two to feel the effects.

Thanks for the info guys, just a pity I didn't find this before buying all that Chocolate TP.

KINGKONG · 11-11-2006, 12:30 PM

Well I figure Ill put my 2cents in here since I just started somthing different... First off I agree with you guys about milk fucking with your stomach,, BUT.... one thing I finally figured out... It really only does that when I poor half a gallon in with a whole box of fruity pebbles...... I have actually added in 1/2 gallon of skim milk spread throughout the day and guess what... NO PROBLEMS... there is a big difference between skim milk of course and whole milk but also a difference between gulping half the jug and having 1 cup 8 times throughout the day which equals 64 grams of protein.... I don't have the bloat or stomach problems..... I know its helping as well because today I got on the scale and hit 253.... This next week I start another phase of nutrition suggested to me.... and well see how long it takes to break the 260 barrier....

bhman6 · 11-11-2006, 06:17 PM

KK good point

in the past I have tried a similar protocol using whole milk and I believe it works even better (as long as calories are controlled of course) because the fats in milk have anabolic properties that typical fats don't because of the presense of various growth factors bound to the fatty acids

I think this is why some nutritionists, like the Beverly people, advicate using heavy cream in their low carb shakes to keep anabolism high in the absense of carbs

Vegking · 11-13-2006, 06:02 PM

what exactly is the problem with the milk, is it the lactose? Most of us use protein powders from milk, wouldn't this be considered a dairy product? If so, why doesn't it cause the same problems for people as cheese, milk, ect....

SWW007 · 12-03-2006, 03:13 PM

I cut milk completely out of my diet for a couple of months besides things like cheese or whatever and the other day milk was on sale for $.99/gallon. So I was like what the hell and I grabbed up 2 gallons of whole milk to use in my morning shakes. 2 cups of whole milk and some other goodies and for the next 3 days the bathroom was to say the least quite an experience. The very next day I had explosive fun in the bathroom and then I had the sharts for the next couple days and the runs to boot! I'll be refraining from drinking milk again in the future.

bhman6 · 12-03-2006, 03:39 PM

lol @ sharts

dreamtheater · 12-03-2006, 09:35 PM

I never got bloated drinking milk. I used to drink it all the time when I was younger. Skim.

Richard85 · 12-04-2006, 02:15 AM

I quit drinking milk a while back and I have noticed that I look leaner and even feel better, I have a little bit of cheese several times a week but I dont see how it would really make a difference

dreamtheater · 12-04-2006, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard85

I quit drinking milk a while back and I have noticed that I look leaner and even feel better, I have a little bit of cheese several times a week but I dont see how it would really make a difference

I eat cottage cheese and low carb yogurts all the time and I have no issues.

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 12-04-2006, 03:42 AM

There are alot of people that think dairy is not an issue for them so they don't try to drop it from their diet. Usually, these are the people that don't need to find out things for themselves, they simply believe what everyone else tells them or quietly say to themselves, "how bad can it be? I have been using it for years".

Those are the people that never really learn anything for themselves and they never truly learn how their body works because instead of trying things out, they just assume they already know how their body works. It reminds me of the college kid that because he just graduated from college he MUST have all of the answers and be an expert in his area of study.

Skip

**SuperD** · 12-04-2006, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip

There are alot of people that think dairy is not an issue for them so they don't try to drop it from their diet. Usually, these are the people that don't need to find out things for themselves, they simply believe what everyone else tells them or quietly say to themselves, "how bad can it be? I have been using it for years".

Those are the people that never really learn anything for themselves and they never truly learn how their body works because instead of trying things out, they just assume they already know how their body works. It reminds me of the college kid that because he just graduated from college he MUST have all of the answers and be an expert in his area of study.

Skip

Nice post....

Kanzensan · 12-04-2006, 10:23 AM

I dont know if I can honestly say I get bloated from milk, but I get bloated from drinking sugar free soft drink. I think its the carbonated water?

Sorry to be off topic there.

I seem to look like ET as my gf says. Bit unattractive the old bloating.

**Heckman** · 12-04-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanzensan

I dont know if I can honestly say I get bloated from milk, but I get bloated from drinking sugar free soft drink. I think its the carbonated water?

Sorry to be off topic there.

I seem to look like ET as my gf says. Bit unattractive the old bloating.

I think the cows down under produce non- bloating milk...

btech · 12-04-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Here is another link. It starts a bit slow but it is a decent exchange:

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/fo...highlight=milk

Skip

Skip

Somewhere on that board (from clicking the link above) you said you can see a difference between your children who have and have not been breast-fed.

What do you mean by that? I'm curious.

dreamtheater · 12-04-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

There are alot of people that think dairy is not an issue for them so they don't try to drop it from their diet. Usually, these are the people that don't need to find out things for themselves, they simply believe what everyone else tells them or quietly say to themselves, "how bad can it be? I have been using it for years".

Those are the people that never really learn anything for themselves and they never truly learn how their body works because instead of trying things out, they just assume they already know how their body works. It reminds me of the college kid that because he just graduated from college he MUST have all of the answers and be an expert in his area of study.

Skip

you could have just quoted me, no sweat off my back. it would have sounded a little less sarcastic. i know what bloats me and what doesn't. ive dropped it before and had it in, no issues. Milk however doesn't fit in my diet, so thats why i don't drink it. Cottage cheese...no issues with or without. I don't think there was anybody else that said that tho. everybody else hopped on the bandwagon didn't they? sorry i didn't agree with you.

dreamtheater · 12-04-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperD

Nice post....

nice quote...

**SuperD** · 12-04-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamtheater

nice quote...

I had a long post written out but then I realized that I didn't really fucking care what people did or didn't drink.

Your results obviously speak for themselves

AnyOldIron · 12-04-2006, 01:52 PM

the only dairy thing that doesn't bother me (sharts, bloating, gas whatever) is yogurt. and that's actually got live cultures in it (good bacteria). kinda ironic, that, lol.

I had a small (10oz) tub of cottage cheese a few weeks ago and regretted it for the next 3-4 hours.

Richard85 · 12-04-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

There are alot of people that think dairy is not an issue for them so they don't try to drop it from their diet. Usually, these are the people that don't need to find out things for themselves, they simply believe what everyone else tells them or quietly say to themselves, "how bad can it be? I have been using it for years".

Those are the people that never really learn anything for themselves and they never truly learn how their body works because instead of trying things out, they just assume they already know how their body works. It reminds me of the college kid that because he just graduated from college he MUST have all of the answers and be an expert in his area of study.

Skip

I feel ya, you have to experiment with things yourself to tell if it truly works or not.

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 12-04-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamtheater

you could have just quoted me, no sweat off my back. it would have sounded a little less sarcastic. i know what bloats me and what doesn't. ive dropped it before and had it in, no issues. Milk however doesn't fit in my diet, so thats why i don't drink it. Cottage cheese...no issues with or without. I don't think there was anybody else that said that tho. everybody else hopped on the bandwagon didn't they? sorry i didn't agree with you.

I could have, you are very right. I decided not to. You and I know EXACTLY where we stand with each other. I kept it subtle so that you got the point and so that it wouldn't side track my thread that has been viewed for almost two years, consistently. You know my sarcasm because you are sarcastic, yourself. You aren't as good at it as I am but you are young - you will get better with age.

My point is simple: You don't know the half of what you think you do. I often wonder why you come here when you have so many college professors that could give you the information that you so respect.

Skip

jesus rocks · 12-04-2006, 03:07 PM

Skip, I hired you for nutrition, but really, can you teach me to do that^^

09-19-2006, 06:46 PM	#79
MindOverMuscle Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,188	Maybe the guy in norway isn't lactose intolerant. I know that when I was drinking a lot of milk, I got fat and bloated, gassy and had the runs a lot. There was a lot that was wrong with my diet, but without changing anything except dropping milk, my gas went down and I was less bloated. I'm still working on the bodyfat with Skip, as it's only been a few months and we're working to build muscle while dropping fat rather than an all out 100% fat loss program. __________________ "Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit." - Aristotle

11-11-2006, 06:17 PM	#82
bhman6 Roundtable Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 5,497	KK good point in the past I have tried a similar protocol using whole milk and I believe it works even better (as long as calories are controlled of course) because the fats in milk have anabolic properties that typical fats don't because of the presense of various growth factors bound to the fatty acids I think this is why some nutritionists, like the Beverly people, advicate using heavy cream in their low carb shakes to keep anabolism high in the absense of carbs __________________ benhartman.com optimumnutrition.com americanbodybuilding.com rippedacademy.com proteinreport.com myspace.com/optimumnutrition myspace.com/americanbodybuilding facebook.com/group.php?gid=9788498452 facebook.com/group.php?gid=7805419287 "Force yourself out of your comfort zone. You can't grow and progress without challenge and pressure. A diamond without pressure is a piece of fucking coal." Last edited by bhman6 : 11-11-2006 at 06:20 PM.

12-03-2006, 03:13 PM	#84
SWW007 Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 361	I cut milk completely out of my diet for a couple of months besides things like cheese or whatever and the other day milk was on sale for $.99/gallon. So I was like what the hell and I grabbed up 2 gallons of whole milk to use in my morning shakes. 2 cups of whole milk and some other goodies and for the next 3 days the bathroom was to say the least quite an experience. The very next day I had explosive fun in the bathroom and then I had the sharts for the next couple days and the runs to boot! I'll be refraining from drinking milk again in the future. __________________ www.trueprotein.com shw744 <Get an extra discount. The only dumb question is the question not asked. Shawn SHW744 (<-Geez didnt you just get 8lbs free a couple days ago-lol?--this guy could sell shit to a septic tank-hes got the gift)<-Anonymous Getting big= (Eating like a king and crapping like a horse) + (Lifting heavy ass weights) < A wise man once said "Ain't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weights!"

12-03-2006, 03:39 PM	#85
bhman6 Roundtable Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 5,497	lol @ sharts __________________ benhartman.com optimumnutrition.com americanbodybuilding.com rippedacademy.com proteinreport.com myspace.com/optimumnutrition myspace.com/americanbodybuilding facebook.com/group.php?gid=9788498452 facebook.com/group.php?gid=7805419287 "Force yourself out of your comfort zone. You can't grow and progress without challenge and pressure. A diamond without pressure is a piece of fucking coal."

12-03-2006, 09:35 PM	#86
dreamtheater Middleweight Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: middle Tennessee Posts: 524	I never got bloated drinking milk. I used to drink it all the time when I was younger. Skim. __________________ music and health are my life "show me something infinitely interesting" - incubus "I don't eat for taste, I eat for fuel" - Jay cutler the only way to be harcore ass to grass is if you sit down indian style, cross your legs, and then stand back up. Extra points if you punch yourself in the face while sitting down. - Suareezay It pisses you off i don't wash your balls, doesn't it?

09-19-2006, 12:18 AM	#76
ddilulo_06 Lightweight Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 459	That's it... milk is out. I was going to get around to it, but now, I'm not buying more. Maybe that's why I have a gut at ~12% BF. We'll see if it shrinks.

11-11-2006, 12:15 PM	#80
Athens New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 48	After reading through this thread, and the others linked, I decided to cut out milk (and orange juice) a few days ago. Surprisingly enough, I've already felt quite a bit better (bloated feeling gone, waist shrunk a bit, not congested anymore, and drowsiness I used to get after meals with it disappeared). Thought it would take at least a week or two to feel the effects. Thanks for the info guys, just a pity I didn't find this before buying all that Chocolate TP.

11-11-2006, 12:30 PM	#81
KINGKONG Roundtable Expert Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 178	Well I figure Ill put my 2cents in here since I just started somthing different... First off I agree with you guys about milk fucking with your stomach,, BUT.... one thing I finally figured out... It really only does that when I poor half a gallon in with a whole box of fruity pebbles...... I have actually added in 1/2 gallon of skim milk spread throughout the day and guess what... NO PROBLEMS... there is a big difference between skim milk of course and whole milk but also a difference between gulping half the jug and having 1 cup 8 times throughout the day which equals 64 grams of protein.... I don't have the bloat or stomach problems..... I know its helping as well because today I got on the scale and hit 253.... This next week I start another phase of nutrition suggested to me.... and well see how long it takes to break the 260 barrier....

11-13-2006, 06:02 PM	#83
Vegking New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 31	what exactly is the problem with the milk, is it the lactose? Most of us use protein powders from milk, wouldn't this be considered a dairy product? If so, why doesn't it cause the same problems for people as cheese, milk, ect....

12-04-2006, 02:15 AM	#87
Richard85 Middleweight Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: University of Houston Posts: 689	I quit drinking milk a while back and I have noticed that I look leaner and even feel better, I have a little bit of cheese several times a week but I dont see how it would really make a difference

12-04-2006, 03:42 AM	#89
Ken "Skip" Hill Judge, Jury and Executioner Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 13,166	There are alot of people that think dairy is not an issue for them so they don't try to drop it from their diet. Usually, these are the people that don't need to find out things for themselves, they simply believe what everyone else tells them or quietly say to themselves, "how bad can it be? I have been using it for years". Those are the people that never really learn anything for themselves and they never truly learn how their body works because instead of trying things out, they just assume they already know how their body works. It reminds me of the college kid that because he just graduated from college he MUST have all of the answers and be an expert in his area of study. Skip __________________ Leaner, harder, fuller, tighter, drier, more shredded, more ripped, more detail, more knowledge and more experience - Call it what you like but call on me: TEAMSKIP@IntenseMuscle.com TEAM SKIP clients get their protein from only one place: TRUEPROTEIN.com. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." - Luke 12:48

12-04-2006, 10:23 AM	#91
Kanzensan New Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 44	I dont know if I can honestly say I get bloated from milk, but I get bloated from drinking sugar free soft drink. I think its the carbonated water? Sorry to be off topic there. I seem to look like ET as my gf says. Bit unattractive the old bloating.

12-04-2006, 01:52 PM	#97
AnyOldIron Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,351	the only dairy thing that doesn't bother me (sharts, bloating, gas whatever) is yogurt. and that's actually got live cultures in it (good bacteria). kinda ironic, that, lol. I had a small (10oz) tub of cottage cheese a few weeks ago and regretted it for the next 3-4 hours. __________________ liftism.com - the board of all boards

12-04-2006, 03:07 PM	#100
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