My experience with Dairy and my opinions..... - Page 2

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 12-13-2004, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Creator_11

I find this topic really interesting, and something I was suprised to find was that Markus Ruhl during contest prep will actually begin only consuming soy based protein from his shakes in order to eliminate all milk sugar from his diet.

Be careful saying that around these parts. Guys think that if they get a little soy protein that they will sporting double Ds not soon after. lol

Skip

**Creator_11** · 12-13-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Be careful saying that around these parts. Guys think that if they get a little soy protein that they will sporting double Ds not soon after. lol

Skip

t-mag did an article on test levels and soy, but that another topic for another thread

GetnBigr · 12-14-2004, 09:26 AM

I don't have too much of a problem drinking skim milk (no fat), but now I'm curious if I could reduce my waist size by removing milk all together. I may have to try this for a month or two.

AssItch · 12-14-2004, 10:43 PM

My main problem will be to fill that gap left by the milk. That's a lot of protein and calories I'm going to have to make up. I'll figure it out.

The Munster · 12-15-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GetnBigr

I don't have too much of a problem drinking skim milk (no fat), but now I'm curious if I could reduce my waist size by removing milk all together. I may have to try this for a month or two.

I think I'm going to try cutting milk out for a month or too also. I don't have any problems with milk but I'd like to see what effect cutting it out has.

The Munster · 12-15-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eru

Maybe one of these days they will start selling bottled breast milk. Talk about the protein BV in that!

You know it's funny...

...most people (not bodybuilders) would walk into a store and see Homogenized, Pasturized Human Breast Milk and go "Ooohhh, Gross!!!! Disgusting!! Yuck!"

and yet they'd have no problem picking up a gallon of milk that came out of a freaking COW! Weird, hunh?

Try to picture the first couple guys standing around watching a calf suck milk from a cow's utter and one of them saying, "You know, I bet that is pretty good. We should try that!"

It's just kind of funny and weird when you think about it.

**SuperSport** · 12-15-2004, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Munster

You know it's funny...

...most people (not bodybuilders) would walk into a store and see Homogenized, Pasturized Human Breast Milk and go "Ooohhh, Gross!!!! Disgusting!! Yuck!"

and yet they'd have no problem picking up a gallon of milk that came out of a freaking COW! Weird, hunh?

Try to picture the first couple guys standing around watching a calf suck milk from a cow's utter and one of them saying, "You know, I bet that is pretty good. We should try that!"

It's just kind of funny and weird when you think about it.

Indeed it is weird.....

Egill · 12-16-2004, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Munster

Try to picture the first couple guys standing around watching a calf suck milk from a cow's utter and one of them saying, "You know, I bet that is pretty good. We should try that!"

It's just kind of funny and weird when you think about it.

LOL, it's like eating eggs from a chicken,....... imagine the guy who thought of that, "hmmmmm... maybe we should try eat that thing that comes out of the chickens ass"

AssItch · 12-16-2004, 10:43 PM

Also gotta wonder how some guy found out that eating mushrooms growing on cow shit will make you hallucinate.

MrAust92 · 12-17-2004, 12:19 AM

Used to drink loads of milk when making the transition from 150 lb guy to 240 lb guy but havent consumed dairy foods precontest or offseason for years now, have all my shakes in water and have never liked cheese much unless it is on a big-ass pizza

.

The only time I consume dairy is as part of a programmed "cheat" meal (I think someone calls this shitloading

) and then I will indulge in shakes, pizza etc. Bloats the hell out of me but is heaven to my tastebuds and bloating subsides in 24 hrs.

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 12-17-2004, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MrAust92

The only time I consume dairy is as part of a programmed "cheat" meal (I think someone calls this shitloading

)

Hmmm.... Seems I have heard something like this before.....

Skip

kpumpin · 01-14-2005, 11:09 AM

Skip, i read this post a little while back while waiting for injuries to heal, and since i was too worried to drop my easy milk protein and calories, i would try it when i wasnt worried about it. i dropped all dairy and it has been a huge difference. i used to wake up with my nose completely clogged and it would get that way several times a day. Also now when i eat i feel a fullness but not severely bloated. that also aides me in getting hungry sooner so i can get more calories down. then all i had to do was find a way to replace the calories cause i knew i could just add a little more powder to replace the protein. then i found your oatmeal packet recipes and it does the trick. it kinda gives the shake a milk like texture and tastes good. i think this comeback will be much more successful without the dairy.

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 01-14-2005, 03:27 PM

I am glad to hear this, bro. In fact, I have a thread on another board about dairy as well and between the two threads, not ONE person has had a negative thing to say when they stopped their dairy consumption. Every single person has said that it helped and that the results were very obvious.

Good luck on your comeback, my friend. I hope you keep us posted.

Skip

evilive138 · 01-15-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kpumpin

Skip, i read this post a little while back while waiting for injuries to heal, and since i was too worried to drop my easy milk protein and calories, i would try it when i wasnt worried about it. i dropped all dairy and it has been a huge difference. i used to wake up with my nose completely clogged and it would get that way several times a day. Also now when i eat i feel a fullness but not severely bloated. that also aides me in getting hungry sooner so i can get more calories down. then all i had to do was find a way to replace the calories cause i knew i could just add a little more powder to replace the protein. then i found your oatmeal packet recipes and it does the trick. it kinda gives the shake a milk like texture and tastes good. i think this comeback will be much more successful without the dairy.

Where might i find this oatmeal packet recipe bro?

kpumpin · 01-15-2005, 08:29 PM

i believe it is in the bulking lounge on this site. its pretty simple but tastes good and gets the oatmeal down quick. you just get the box of flavored oatmeal that is separated into packets. they have like apple cinnamon, peaches and cream, and others that taste pretty good. i think his recipe was 3 scoops of protein powder with 3 packets of oatmeal. i scale it down at times with 2 scoops of protein and 2 packets. i only add about 5oz water to the 2 scoop recipe cause i like it a little thick in consistency.

dellsguy67 · 04-26-2006, 11:10 AM

where does cheese rank in this problem?? i eat plenty of it and i'm curious if it is doing more harm than good

Badman · 04-26-2006, 12:33 PM

I noticed once I cut out the cottage cheese, cheese, hell anything dairy the bloat went away after a week or so and I didn't feel so damn bloated or gassy. I think my joint pain went down also??? I just take a glass of soy milk if I ever feel the craving for milk. Hell I have always been lactose-intolerant very mild, but I guess quit drinking it for a long period of time then try drinking it again.... Didn't have the same effect.

wakejump4me · 04-26-2006, 01:28 PM

i gotta tell you guys , thanks for bumin' this one up here . i haven't had any dairy in aproxmtly. 2 years until 2 weeks ago .......thank god it only lasted for a day ...i could not get along with it . i tryed to addd some to my before bed meal............but no way ........i can't take that anymore

wake

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 04-26-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dellsguy67

where does cheese rank in this problem?? i eat plenty of it and i'm curious if it is doing more harm than good

Cheese, from a bodybuilding standpoint, is useless. It is simply a block of orange saturated fat. The protein is so low that it does nothing for you and calcium can be obtained from a ton of better foods.

Now, for TASTE, it dominates. lol

Skip

Badman · 04-26-2006, 04:09 PM

Saying cheese makes me want a small cheese pizza all to myself... I just hope I don't get sick again lol...

SWW007 · 04-26-2006, 04:09 PM

Reading over this thread I noticed that since I've dropped dairy out of my diet for the most part my waist has dropped down a lot and my abs especially are more defined. Also glad I found this because I was considering doing the whole gallon of milk a day thing.

sww007

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 04-26-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wakejump4me

i gotta tell you guys , thanks for bumin' this one up here . i haven't had any dairy in aproxmtly. 2 years until 2 weeks ago .......thank god it only lasted for a day ...i could not get along with it . i tryed to addd some to my before bed meal............but no way ........i can't take that anymore

wake

My kids aren't allowed to drink milk. I know this sounds kind of "nazi-ish" but I am not one of those parents. I do have my kids eat well but certainly not fanatical. Examples are: We have whole grain bread, natural peanut butter, etc, for PBJs. They can't stomach the regular peanut butter because they are used to the natural stuff. They get McDonald's once a week on "McDonald's Day" which has been Wednesdays for YEARS. They eat about half of it and don't want anymore yet they cleaned their plates of liver and onions and homemake pasta/chicken salad last night. However, I digress....

After about 10 months of no milk except what might be needed for cooking or in cheese or something every now and then, my boy thought he would sneak a chocolate milk by not telling his grandpa that he wasn't supposed to drink it. Grandpa being new to being around the kids (we were in Colorado for almost 10 years and back for only a month) didn't know he wasn't supposed to have it. Fast forward about an hour: He is playing X box in the basement and then all of a sudden he is crying in the bathroom so I go in there and shit is .... how do I say ..... EVERYWHERE. It is running out of his jeans, on the floor, his pants are unbuttoned but not even down yet. It gets even better..... sort of.... I start bitching at him thinking that he simply didn't want to get up from playing Xbox and waited too long to get to the bathroom and shit himself - something that some 5 year old boys do when they are addicted to Xbox. Anyway, we get him cleaned up, he takes a shower, I bring in the Hazmat team to spray the bathroom down and a day or two goes by. I can't seem to get this out of my mind and I just happen to ask my dad if he had been complaining about not feeling well or anything and explained to him what had happened. He scowls and thinks for a minute and says: "No... the only thing he had was when we shared a chocolate milk from the gas station on the way to the house". My eyes got so big that I thought they would fall out. I laughed and immediately had to go get my son and apologize for giving him so much grief when in reality it wasn't him being lazy at all. It was nothing more than the milk hit him that quickly. It has done it in the past, as well.

Yeah, I know, long story but I had to prove my point. : )

Skip

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 04-26-2006, 04:28 PM

Here is another link. It starts a bit slow but it is a decent exchange:

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/fo...highlight=milk

Skip

ShulaSports · 04-26-2006, 04:36 PM

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not ONE person has had a negative thing to say when they stopped their dairy consumption

Oh, you'll hear plenty of negative things if you're thinking of cutting my cottage cheese at any point

jk

12-14-2004, 09:26 AM	#28
GetnBigr IM Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In the South Posts: 2,957	I don't have too much of a problem drinking skim milk (no fat), but now I'm curious if I could reduce my waist size by removing milk all together. I may have to try this for a month or two. __________________ "Well done is better than well said"

12-17-2004, 12:19 AM	#35
MrAust92 IM Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 177	Used to drink loads of milk when making the transition from 150 lb guy to 240 lb guy but havent consumed dairy foods precontest or offseason for years now, have all my shakes in water and have never liked cheese much unless it is on a big-ass pizza . The only time I consume dairy is as part of a programmed "cheat" meal (I think someone calls this shitloading ) and then I will indulge in shakes, pizza etc. Bloats the hell out of me but is heaven to my tastebuds and bloating subsides in 24 hrs. __________________ "Beneath all suffering.........lies the beauty of opportunity"

01-14-2005, 03:27 PM	#38
Ken "Skip" Hill Judge, Jury and Executioner Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 13,166	I am glad to hear this, bro. In fact, I have a thread on another board about dairy as well and between the two threads, not ONE person has had a negative thing to say when they stopped their dairy consumption. Every single person has said that it helped and that the results were very obvious. Good luck on your comeback, my friend. I hope you keep us posted. Skip __________________ Leaner, harder, fuller, tighter, drier, more shredded, more ripped, more detail, more knowledge and more experience - Call it what you like but call on me: TEAMSKIP@IntenseMuscle.com TEAM SKIP clients get their protein from only one place: TRUEPROTEIN.com. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." - Luke 12:48

04-26-2006, 11:10 AM	#41
dellsguy67 Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,084	where does cheese rank in this problem?? i eat plenty of it and i'm curious if it is doing more harm than good __________________ To save 5% on your TrueProtein.com purchase, use discount code: DAS235 -------------------------------------- SUCCESS = CONSISTENCY X TIME - Sniffy54 -------------------------------------- "Consistency can take you a log way" - Homonunculus

04-26-2006, 12:33 PM	#42
Badman Heavyweight Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wherever God tells me to go... Posts: 2,031	I noticed once I cut out the cottage cheese, cheese, hell anything dairy the bloat went away after a week or so and I didn't feel so damn bloated or gassy. I think my joint pain went down also??? I just take a glass of soy milk if I ever feel the craving for milk. Hell I have always been lactose-intolerant very mild, but I guess quit drinking it for a long period of time then try drinking it again.... Didn't have the same effect. __________________ TrueProtein.com Discount Code: JYN925 The Reaper is always one step behind me..... ( I don't die)

12-14-2004, 10:43 PM	#29
AssItch New Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 53	My main problem will be to fill that gap left by the milk. That's a lot of protein and calories I'm going to have to make up. I'll figure it out.

12-16-2004, 10:43 PM	#34
AssItch New Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 53	Also gotta wonder how some guy found out that eating mushrooms growing on cow shit will make you hallucinate.

01-14-2005, 11:09 AM	#37
kpumpin New Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 80	Skip, i read this post a little while back while waiting for injuries to heal, and since i was too worried to drop my easy milk protein and calories, i would try it when i wasnt worried about it. i dropped all dairy and it has been a huge difference. i used to wake up with my nose completely clogged and it would get that way several times a day. Also now when i eat i feel a fullness but not severely bloated. that also aides me in getting hungry sooner so i can get more calories down. then all i had to do was find a way to replace the calories cause i knew i could just add a little more powder to replace the protein. then i found your oatmeal packet recipes and it does the trick. it kinda gives the shake a milk like texture and tastes good. i think this comeback will be much more successful without the dairy.

01-15-2005, 08:29 PM	#40
kpumpin New Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 80	i believe it is in the bulking lounge on this site. its pretty simple but tastes good and gets the oatmeal down quick. you just get the box of flavored oatmeal that is separated into packets. they have like apple cinnamon, peaches and cream, and others that taste pretty good. i think his recipe was 3 scoops of protein powder with 3 packets of oatmeal. i scale it down at times with 2 scoops of protein and 2 packets. i only add about 5oz water to the 2 scoop recipe cause i like it a little thick in consistency.

04-26-2006, 01:28 PM	#43
wakejump4me The Specialist Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,440	i gotta tell you guys , thanks for bumin' this one up here . i haven't had any dairy in aproxmtly. 2 years until 2 weeks ago .......thank god it only lasted for a day ...i could not get along with it . i tryed to addd some to my before bed meal............but no way ........i can't take that anymore wake

04-26-2006, 04:09 PM	#45
Badman Heavyweight Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wherever God tells me to go... Posts: 2,031	Saying cheese makes me want a small cheese pizza all to myself... I just hope I don't get sick again lol... __________________ TrueProtein.com Discount Code: JYN925 The Reaper is always one step behind me..... ( I don't die)

04-26-2006, 04:09 PM	#46
SWW007 Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 361	Reading over this thread I noticed that since I've dropped dairy out of my diet for the most part my waist has dropped down a lot and my abs especially are more defined. Also glad I found this because I was considering doing the whole gallon of milk a day thing. sww007 __________________ www.trueprotein.com shw744 <Get an extra discount. The only dumb question is the question not asked. Shawn SHW744 (<-Geez didnt you just get 8lbs free a couple days ago-lol?--this guy could sell shit to a septic tank-hes got the gift)<-Anonymous Getting big= (Eating like a king and crapping like a horse) + (Lifting heavy ass weights) < A wise man once said "Ain't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weights!"

04-26-2006, 04:28 PM	#48
Ken "Skip" Hill Judge, Jury and Executioner Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 13,166	Here is another link. It starts a bit slow but it is a decent exchange: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/fo...highlight=milk Skip __________________ Leaner, harder, fuller, tighter, drier, more shredded, more ripped, more detail, more knowledge and more experience - Call it what you like but call on me: TEAMSKIP@IntenseMuscle.com TEAM SKIP clients get their protein from only one place: TRUEPROTEIN.com. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." - Luke 12:48

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