Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

I still think you potentially have thyroid problems and maybe even free testosterone problems. I have no idea why your spending this much money on food yet you wont take my advice on getting bloodwork for 75 to 150 bucks. I recommended that what 9 months ago and you still havent taken my advice? So to me you might of saved yourself 9 months of heartache with a "ohhh so theres the problem after all, my testosterone is 225, SHBG is very high which makes things even worse, and the doctor put me on armour thyroid"

I am going to repeat this again

Testosterone
free testosterone
igf
shbg
estro readings
TSH
T3 uptake
Thyroxine (and index)

Do you know how many guys Ive trained that I made get bloodwork where that turned out to be the problem? Do you know how many people Ive trained where it was found out that their thyroid output was a problem? Alot---so much so it has shocked me.

Ive had guys racking their brain thinking "geez I must be doing something wrong training or eating wise here".....and they come back with total testosterone at 172. Doug my partner at Trueprotein was helping this kid who couldnt make gains to save his life and was wracking his head jumping from training routine to training routine, and diet to diet....I told Doug you got to get him some bloodwork pronto. Total Testosterone? I believe it was 90 YES 90 on the normal scale of 252/350 to 852/950 (roundabouts)....the kid was 21 years old. Do you think your going to be gaining muscle with a total testosterone level of 90? No your not. Stop stalling and get the bloodwork done and post it